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There were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants. More detail here.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update is here.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago
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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago

McDonalds is having a civil war.

Israel McDonalds: Supports the IDF

Pakistan McDonalds: Supports Gaza

Oman McDonalds: Supports Gaza

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[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Watching another report. Heart-breaking interview of a Palestinian doctor who described how she's working 24 hours and how everyone is trapped in a cage while being bombarded. Followed up by a bunch of vomit inducing Israeli propaganda about how "they have no choice" after the indiscriminate killing by the Hamas fighters that crossed the border.

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[-] Flaps@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago

Western journalism is dead. I mean, reporting on the Ukraine war was just flat out bad propaganda, which they're walking back now Russia is gaining ground again. But when it comes to palestine, they never manage to condemn Israel for far worse things they condemn Russia for! Even IF they manage to publish an anti-zionist voice, they have to juxtapose it with Bret 'Paris infestor' Stephens blaming the anti zionist left. Fuck em, hope they fuckin implode.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Iranian Foreign Minister, Amir Abdollahian: If the siege and warcrimes against Gaza do not stop, the opening of other fronts is definitely a possibility

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Gustavo Petro just threatened to sever diplomatic relations with Israel on twitter and called on the rest of LatAm to do the same if necessary. My Spanish is a bit rusty, but I think he also accused them of aiding war/war crimes in Colombia based on the translation.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff says that "North Korea is preparing for the possibility of launching a surprise attack on South Korea using the same tactics as Hamas' attack on Israel"

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago

Israeli Settlers Take Advantage of Gaza Chaos to Attack Palestinians in West Bank; Settlers and soldiers have killed 51 Palestinians in the West Bank since Saturday. At least two Palestinian villages

this current conflict is looking to me as a now or never for palestinian liberation, i think Fatah and the PLO are going to be forced to either join the war or slowly get eliminated in the west bank.

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[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 67 points 2 years ago

We live in interesting times.

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 67 points 2 years ago

Zei squirrel is on the war path over the beheaded babies story lol, uncritical support:
https://nitter.net/zei_squirrel/status/1712052270886539559

the beheaded babies claim is now being debunked. There were "journalists", good liberal mainstream "reporters", who claimed to have seen the photos with their own eyes. You will never get away with the blood that is on your hands. I will make sure of it

I have been compiling their names. I have the screenshots of your depravity. And I will publish it, and will never stop reminding everyone of the grotesque lie you fabricated and disseminated to justify the mass murder of Palestinians, many of them babies

they just had to manufacture a scenario they cooked up in their own depraved minds, because they're desperate to manufacture consent for killing more Palestinians. More, more more. They all have to die. So I will lie, and kill them. It's the playbook: [tweet about Nayirah hearing]

the role good serious credentialed Ivy league liberals played in this is crucial. Far right conservatives can shout into the wind whatever they like, but only when these good genteel liberals pick it up and repeat it does it become Truth for the entire media and political class

Matthew Gertz at Media Matters, Nic Robertson at CNN, Margot Haddad formerly CNN, and Lisa Goldman co-founder of +972 Magazine, are just the tip of the iceberg. I have more. They're all in my list. I have the screenshots. They will never wipe away the blood on their hands

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

The United States will not send troops to participate in the conflict in Gaza, but does not rule out the possibility of using them to free the hostages - White House

They're gonna lose a Black Hawk and a spec ops team.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

lmao "48-72 hours" my ass

Turns out genocide can be a little tough when the victims fight back

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

There's not at all confirmed reports on Twitter that Hezbollah attached lights to a bunch of pelicans then released them near the Israeli border, and that was the "drone swarm". i want to believe.

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[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

so, it's very unclear
is the beheaded babies thing real?
it seems like all the news is coming from a single source and there's also one contradicting source
and, tbh
while babies shot dead I can believe, the whole beheaded thing seems a bit
over the top? I won't say unbelievable, because they definitely could have, but
I guess if they did it was purely for the shock value

breathtaking. westerners have no fucking clue how racist they are and they will never ever in a million years do self crit to solve it, we're fucking doomed.

~(~~this~ ~is~ ~from~ ~a~ ~"leftist"~ ~server~ ~btw~~)~

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[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

In france-cool , there's a political party that doesn't actually suck: the NPA, the New Anticapitalist Party. They do present a candidate to national elections but acknowledge fully they don't intend to be elected / capitalism can't be rid of through ballots; they do it to take advantage of the equal airwave time every candidate has in order to have public speaking time.

Anyway, recently they published a communiqué about the events in Palestine; saying they "fully support Palestinians" as well as "support the means they chose to resist".

Today it has been announced that they are now under an official inquiry by the state for "terrorism apologia".

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

Interesting analysis: One of the reasons the base attacks were so successful was the combination of rocket fire and ground assault. After years of drills and habit forming on the bases the Israeli troops always go to the same area of the base for rocket fire. Palestinian troops simply showed up at the same time as rocket fire and then mowed down the congregating troops while they were predictably sheltering from the barrage at the usual place, which was well known to Palestinian observers.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago
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[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago
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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

https://t.me/PalestineResist/14573

The contrast between Hamas propaganda and Israeli/Same-Map.jpg propaganda is funny

Hamas: "We explicitly ordered our guys not to harm civilians and obey all laws of war. Our troops are forbidden from harming civilians or prisoners.

Israel "HOW DARE YOU ASK US NOT TO UNLEASH THE ORPHAN GRINDER ON PALESTINE? FOUR HUYNDRED BABIES!

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

Abdul Malik al-Houthi, leader of Yemen's Ansarallah resistance:

"Our people are ready to move in the hundreds of thousands and join the Palestinian people to confront the enemy, and we will not hesitate to do everything possible."

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[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

At this point I don't even give a shit about any people Hamas might have killed. Fuck them for partying next to a concentration camp in an apartheid genocidal state and fuck every cracker who supports Israel. They deserve nothing but the worst.

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[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

blinken went on TV tonight and said he saw the babies. y'all got a newer debunk because my family is apparently too shitlib to work out that lying about it yesterday means they're probably still lying today.

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

People on Twitter are really running with "The Zionists didn't know about the assault because of Huawei". We basically have zero evidence of the militants adopting Huawei on a completely organizational level. However, it might not be true now, but it'll soon be true, especially if "the Zionists can't spy on you if you use Huawei" escapes Twitter. Plus, I think it would be really really funny if MSM broadcasts this out in order to tenuously link China with Hamas.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I'm getting the impression the US is stalling and genuinely trying to prevent escalation right now. They don't want to commit to this conflict, they didn't want this conflict at all, huge distraction from both Ukraine and China, it fucks up just about every single one of their plans. The winner of this conflict would be China who sits out on the sidelines and watches as the west and every power in the middle east gets dragged into it.

Pretty sure they will be forced to commit. But I don't think they want to.

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[-] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

NYT article on disinformation about the Hamas attacks, surprised-pika , does not include the beheaded baby lie.

Also it opens with "In the days since Hamas attacked Israel, killing more than 1,200 people in sweeping assaults on kibbutzim, a music festival, towns and other places . . ."

Military targets = other places

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[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago

I feel like it is only a matter of days until a high ranking US or Israeli official slips up and uses the phrase "final solution"

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

CNN...

In Gaza vital fuel and food supplies are running out.

Gee whiz fuck, CNN - you're a news source maybe you could explain why. I'll help out "In Gaza vital fuel and food supplies are running out because..."

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 65 points 2 years ago
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[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

Can we talk about the propaganda surrounding Shani Louk? From what I can make of the video:

  1. She's not naked. She's clearly wearing some sort of safety shorts and her top appears to still be there (cross-referencing to the dancing video, she appears to be wearing the same top, shorts, and boots). She lost her skirt at some point in the fighting and the back strap on her top looks like it got tugged around, but there's clearly still fabric on the front (which might also be why she's face-down, other than to avoid putting pressure on the head injury on the back of her head).

  2. Her legs don't seem broken. Her right left is in an outwards V (you can see this from where her foot is pointing) and her left leg is obviously fine. It's a perfectly achievable position to be in, even if I wouldn't want to stay in it for hours.

  3. Her family says she's not dead and that she's actually being treated at a Gazan hospital for head injuries.

  4. From first-hand experience, the head can bleed a lot without you noticing any pain or dizziness or anything. In fact, the head can bleed a lot and have no lasting effects... If you want to try this, walk headfirst into the pointed bottom edge of a staircase (but also, please don't). There is a lot of blood flowing through the head, so even superficial wounds bleed like crazy.

Who the fuck is responsible for Western journalism?

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[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago
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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Given Iran's support of Palestine along with Syria, DPRK and others. I think now is a very good moment to speak to any soft-left friends that are still supporting Palestine and explain to them that this is exactly why our "critical support" has always been a thing.

They can't ignore that the people working to give real material support to something that they support are all the places that they've criticised us in the past for having "critical support" for. What would they do without all of these places we critically support? The palestinian people would be alone and there would be absolutely no pressures that make their complete and total genocide harder.

Like, this is a very serious moment that demonstrates exactly who the anti-imperialists are and who aren't.

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[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

I got banned from worldnews on one of my accounts for using "Genocide Joe" so they really don't want that one getting popular it seems.

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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago
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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

"CNN is the communist news network" I say to myself as I watch Jake Tapper interview an IDF general who calls all Palestinian people "animals".

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

Hezbollah message to Israel: https://streamable.com/69ew1k

"Your temporary entity is weaker than spider's web. You will disappear, and Palestine will remain Arab and proud of her people. The resistance throughout the battle lurks where you do not notice."

[-] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

I know that this is 'whataboutism' and whatever, but I just want to remind people that police in the U.S. harm children and babies on a regular fucking basis and yet there are no calls to exterminate them from the powers that be, let alone the fact of the matter than Israel is now definitely killing children in these bombings with the pictures that are coming out of Gaza.

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[-] LargePenis@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

Lebanese WhatsApp and Telegram groups telling people to chill now, saying that it was a media drill from Hezbollah and that only 2-3 smaller drones were actually sent, the other news was fake to incite a response from the Israelis

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

Don't talk to me about your fake beliefs in "freedom" if you don't support international freedom fighters.

amerikkka

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[-] gabaghoul@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

The citizen app sent a notification this afternoon warning about mass protests under the directive of Hamas.

I guess it's spoooooky season.

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

CNN is still doing segments on the music festival.

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