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You joke but it would be great if we could restart the web. No bots, no corps, you have to be a nerd to get in. Maybe some specific protocol where you need a certain modem to access it, to keep other people out...
Maybe this is what the dark web is? I haven't dabbled.
Elites abandoning a world they judged unworthy in favor of vendor lock-in sounds pretty dark to me
That's basically Apple users locking themselves in the garden.
An iPhone can communicate with other devices over open protocols, which is different from the proposed un-reachability and privileged access to the network.
Basically. Look up onion routing (tor protocol).
Right I've used that but I dont see how that leads to a different net
Ah, I’m not giving a full picture there. Technically you can use layered encryption like tor uses on the clearnet. Tor additionally exposes tor-only services that route exclusively via tor’s onion routing (not just http wrapped inside an encryption onion).
i2p works differently under the hood, but the shared piece is exclusive services, only accessible through a non-standard protocol. That’s how you’d get a different web. Unless we’re talking physical layer stuff.
I thought about i2p, too. But what do we use it for? Torrents!
Selfhosted hookers, like Gator:
this community is dead, the day Canada, U.S. and Eu asks lemmy to "verify" our ages
or we're all on a vpn connected to a server in ??? Mongolia?
I already use tor to connect to Lemmy.
Tor won't help if the instance is in U.K. (or soon Canada &c) and responsible for "verifying your age"
Everytime I hear about some draconian internet law it's always coming out of the UK.
I have a long-running theory that we're the US's testing ground for authoritarian nonsense. If they roll it out here and it doesn't get too much resistance, it'll show up in the US in the next 3-5 years.
I could see that being the case, though the US has been testing things in the same vein itself.
It's Foucault's boomerang, but the last beta before bringing it home.
India was the traditional testing ground. If she is no longer that, than US hegemony has definitely weakened.
I have a long-running theory that we're the US's testing ground for authoritarian nonsense. If they roll it out here and it doesn't get too much resistance, it'll show up in the US in the next 3-5 years.
The UK populace doesn't get nearly enough shit for all of the bullshit they have caused. They are the fucking Alabama of Europe.
The ruling British class, sure. The average British citizen is impacted by this, rather than enacting the change though.
It's kind of like how a select few people in the states decide healthcare shouldn't be affordable, and everyone else just has to accept it; despite living in one of the richest countries in the history of the human race.
The reality is both nations have the same group of people pulling the strings behind the scenes; anyone who believes they have any say in either country is either not paying attention, or an idiot.
"What we are witnessing right now is the death of the free internet and the birth of a new digital dictatorship. No longer can we be trusted to decide for ourselves what content is appropriate or correct. Everything must instead be filtered through the state’s definition of ‘safety,’ telling us what is safe to say, see, or believe. Under the guise of protecting children and fighting ‘hate,’ governments are creating the most comprehensive censorship apparatus the West has ever seen."
Nothing to do with the states definition of safety, but just an excuse to do more surveillance and collect more data.
They're not done. Making VPNs illegal is next. Another stupid law to make sure people aren't bypassing the other stupid law.
Wait I don't understand. Did they cancel https? How about ftp? Ssh?
Or are they requiring some half baked bullshit in a browser to catch the lowest common denominator?
Half-baked bullshit. You can get around it with a VPN or a copy of Death Stranding 2
I haven't click to submit anything at any point, does it just ask for an image?
I'm fine with looking like him as far as porn is concerned. Probably help me in fact, lol.
Personally I believe the world was a better place before the Internet existed. It was more personal, more local. The billionaire tech class was created by the Internet and are actively damaging the world for their own personal gain. Good mental health is almost non-existent for those who are always online - and that is a purposeful construct so that they will be online more and create even more revenue for the tech billionaires. The initial romantic notion that the internet would provide education and information and connection has been dwarfed by the damage it has caused. The most 'internet raised generation - Gen Z' is notoriously disconnected and isolated compared to previous generations. In short, if the Internet ceased to exist tomorrow, a decade from now the world would probably be a better place.
The billionaire tech class was created by the Internet
No. You had tech billionaires before the internet as well.
They just were less tech and less billionaire, but they were there too.
The billionaire tech class was created by the Internet and are actively damaging the world for their own personal gain.
I hate to tell you but there were billionaires and multi-millionaires way before the internet and they were damaging the world horrendously for greed and personal gain. They even have this system structured around allowing them to do that called capitalism.
So no the internet didn't create that. Capitalism created that. Just as it created the climate change denial oil industry and the people who made money off of destroying the planet with that and would still be doing so without the internet. Just as it made dishonest press barons who loved Nazi Germany such as Randolph Hearst way before the internet existed and for a more modern example Rupert Murdoch. Just as before that it created incentives to hide and denial tobacco caused cancer or that asbestos caused cancer and other diseases or that lead poisoned us especially children. And on and on. Or the Triangle Shirt-waist fire and thousands of incidents just like that around the world where people are killed in poorly maintained factories kept that way out of greed. Or companies that pump poison into the water and air because it's cheaper. I could go on forever.
Yeah I'd say capitalism ruined the Internet, rather than the other way around. Early Internet was janky but amazing
I see the modern internet as sometime in the early 2010s when YouTube shifted heavily towards monetisation and changing up the UI for that, Facebook started to shift from VC money to monetizing the platform culminating in its post-IPO super monetization. Facebook buying Instagram and then eventually monetizing it heavy with advertisements
Facebook IPO, YouTube profitability push from Google, Instagram profitability push from Facebook. That all came together to birth the modern online influencer. An incredibly fast rapid shift from a short decade of body acceptance and mild movements against over consumption to now 6th graders have skincare routines and therapy shopping seems bigger than it has ever been
I thought I was the only one pondering on this. It's been a wild ride and I'm so glad I got to take part in the 90s, when web 1.0 was wild and free. What a blast that was.
But it's over now, we've ruined it, like we ruin everything, and I hope soon we'll all be collectively ready as a species to dance on the grave of our dead internet.
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I had such high hopes for the internet, I met and spoke with people from all over the world, real life was obsolete so I put all my time into being online because it was so much easier to talk to people and make friends online back then. I made a huge mistake.
Yeah. I can't stay away completely, but it is unquestionable how much better I am in general when I spend more free time outside versus in front of a screen.
Edit: I don't mean to make screens sound like the bad guy. It's more about engaging all of your senses and interacting with 100% of your immediate environment, rather than keeping your vision and mind focused on the 24/7 fire hose of only the 0.001% most potent triple-distilled negativity sourced from the entire fucking planet.
The internet is like having omnipotence but only for the knowledge that messes with our brains. We don't get to see all the nice shit from across the planet 50x a day.
I've already said goodbye to "the internet" 3 times. Social media destroyed web 2.0, which destroyed the original web, which destroyed the original Usenet and telnet internet.
i'm looking forward to the more decentralized internet that's brewing up here.
If these types of laws keep coming there might be a lot of legal liability for running instances of things
yeah i think that's what they ultimately want. control all the "information" we get.
we should be organizing more thoroughly to combat this sort of thing that will undoubtedly be more and more common.
Fascists get mad when people are educated.
Same shit coming to Australia
The enshittification of life as we know it.
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