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I mean, there are cultural aspects of this that I have to really immerse myself in because I’m not Japanese. It feels almost a little invasive to be telling the story from their perspective, but what the hell? Somebody’s got to tell the story, and I’m not going to tell it from a jingoistic, nationalistic American perspective, because I don’t want to deal with all the sociopolitical aspects of, should it have been dropped, all that stuff. I don’t want to deal with that.

I’ve got to be very careful about it not being an indictment of the people who dropped the bomb. I think the message needs to be, this thing happened. It happened to real people. Let’s not go into why it happened and who was to blame and all that sort of thing. But let’s just take that as a moment in history frozen in amber that we need to learn from. We need to cherish that memory, because that memory might just keep us alive.

How can you learn from something without understanding why it happened?

The next level of shoot and cry is shoot and I wasn't even there. I was sleeping

I guess Hiroshima just did that what-the-hell

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[-] tombruzzo@hexbear.net 2 points 4 hours ago

There's already a 2 hour Shawn video on this you can listen to

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 65 points 1 day ago
[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

And the liberals of your country will cry while watching it

[-] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 14 points 22 hours ago

That's exactly what these kind of movies are for, so liberals can consume "history" in a safe manner and making a kind of faux-atonement for the sins of the empire, immediately followed by the reconciliation with the empire. That last part is the most important one. "See we care! We're not like the other empires. We talk about it."

Basically the American zeitgeist doing dubya-paint

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 4 points 15 hours ago

Funny thing is that liberals from the global south also cry to it. I’ve seen it myself and it’s deeply embarrassing.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 63 points 1 day ago

Let’s not go into why it happened and who was to blame and all that sort of thing. But let’s just take that as a moment in history frozen in amber that we need to learn from.

If he’s not going to get into why it happened, who’s responsible, then what the hell are we supposed to be learning from it?

[-] egs81t@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 10 hours ago

Reading this part, I thought that it was fake and they got me. Sadly not.

[-] prole@hexbear.net 48 points 1 day ago

Learning how to give James Cameron an Oscar

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

Put it at the bottom of the ocean

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

then what the hell are we supposed to be learning from it?

Boom shit go hard, big pimples. I sad, feel better now?

[-] AMBER_BOT@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago
[-] inTheShadowOf@hexbear.net 23 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I hate liberals so much. If you're not blaming the ones who committed the atrocity, then who???

He goes on about the care he thinks he's taking to tell this from the perspective of Japan, acknowledges that it's pretty invasive to do that (!!!), then says he can't blame the people who did this to Japan.

absolute-cinema

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 10 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Somebody’s got to tell the story,

If only someone had done this

[-] Euergetes@hexbear.net 12 points 21 hours ago

I’ve got to be very careful about it not being an indictment of the people who dropped the bomb

this is a cornerstone of mccarthyist thought, you'd be on track to become the first film outright banned by the trump admin if you made a film that was anti-enola gay (insert joke about how the regime already scrubbed that name from musuems)

Cameron is a capitalist still he wants to sell his movie

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago

viewers learned that using WMDs on civilian population centers is horrific but also that it was a thing that just happened devoid of any ethical judgement

this sounds like the state of liberal thought at the moment: "fascism is bad when it affects us, otherwise it is just the background noise of our glorious hegemony, and that's just the normalcy of international rules based order"

[-] sexywheat@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

I mean, it's consistent with how liberal history textbooks are written, just a bunch of bullet points of things that happened in that particular order. Maybe some cushioning about how those people felt and things that they believed at that time, but that's about it.

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 17 points 23 hours ago

Just a reminder but Cameron also made True Lies; in it, the terrorist Salim Abu Aziz literally mentions that America bombs his country, killing women and kids. Cameron literally wrote a villain with an actual grievance to be nothing more than a cookie cutter villain. The horrific things being done to people in non-Western countries are treated as just things that happen.

[-] Euergetes@hexbear.net 6 points 20 hours ago

True lies is an all-timer for unironically, uncomplicatedly correct villains

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

When there is so many cases of questionable ethical judgement the don't get to hide behind that shit. i-cant

[-] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 19 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Listen the important thing isn’t what drove America to commit this atrocity (trying to one up Stalin after the Russians defeated the Germans and they were coming for the Japanese next. America couldn’t have Russia win the war on two fronts so they used the atom bomb to show the soviets their military capabilities whilst bringing the war to a close on Americas terms).

The important thing with this story is lots of shots of Asian people with their eyeballs melting down their chared faces and screaming burned children and poignant shots of mothers outside evicerated schools.

That’s where the Oscar is.

[-] hollowmines@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

All the Avatar dickriders owe me money. Horrible phenomenon.

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 22 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

I'll admit I was more charitable towards the Avatar movies than I otherwise would've been in part because our culture is so incredibly fascist that even the most basic "imperialism bad" story is a breath of fresh air even with all of cameron's mindworms infesting it.

Knowing that he's trying to make an "apolitical Hiroshima" movie makes me question everything he's ever done

Edit: I was blinded by the spectacle of american marines being skewered like kebabs and whalers being dismembered

[-] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 10 points 22 hours ago

The space american boots getting perforated was the best part but it's still very white-savior and I can't get over it sadly

[-] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

That week or two on hexbear where everybody was unironically praising the Avatar films as anticolonial masterpieces was baffling

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 3 points 9 hours ago

same stuff is happening with superman right now

[-] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 17 points 23 hours ago

Taking a road trip to Will Meneker's house so I can rub it in his "it's making some people on twitter mad therefore it's actually good" face.

[-] hollowmines@hexbear.net 11 points 23 hours ago

"baffling" is the right word. I don't love his writing all the time but I'm fully onboard with Walter Chaw's bone-deep hatred for these movies.

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[-] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Bad things happen. Let's not get into why or all that superfluous stuff like historical context.

God he's a lib

[-] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 17 points 23 hours ago

"Officer involved shooting" but it's about evaporating 200k innocent civilians.

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago

God he's such a cowardly lib, here I thought he might be kinda ok but "telling the story of Hiroshima without assigning blame"!?

Fucking useless. "I'm not here to make a judgement about wiping out cities in the blink of an eye, I'm just trying to say what happened"

Also the whole "I'm not American so it won't be a jingoistic pro-america piece" can fuck right off, he's Canadian and they're all basically American

[-] corvidenjoyer@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago

I’ve got to be very careful about it not being an indictment of the people who dropped the bomb. I think the message needs to be, this thing happened. It happened to real people. Let’s not go into why it happened and who was to blame and all that sort of thing. But let’s just take that as a moment in history frozen in amber that we need to learn from. We need to cherish that memory, because that memory might just keep us alive.

speech-r liberalism

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[-] miz@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

fuck, and here I thought he might have a shred of fucking sense, but no

fell-for-it-again

[-] CommCat@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

This is consistent with Cameron, when the first Avatar came out and was a smash hit, some Leftist interviewer asked him does he see the similarities between the movie Avatar and Palestine. Palestinians even painted themselves all blue and peacefully marched. Cameron gave the same weak ass response.

Don't expect celebs to be some anti-imperialist leftist unless they outright claim themselves one, like Boots. REM was the latest big disappointment when they wanted to raise funds for Radio Free Europe when Trump cut funds to USAID.

[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

I think anyone who is in a position to become rich and influential like a celebrity is probably someone who either supports the status quo and never thinks about it, or was more radical when they were younger, but have turned to worshipping the dollar since then and know that if they are too "extreme" they can get blacklisted by the people who will happily work alongside known pedophiles for years.

[-] Cricket@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

Yes. Relevant quote: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair, 1935.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago

So 2 hours of a tight camera shot of a bomb being moved around until it falls from a plane and explodes?

No wait, it's James Cameron. 3 hours.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

No wait, it's James Cameron. 3 hours.

He's in negotiations for a three film franchise but his goal was five.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago

Empathy is our superpower... the lessons of America’s use of the atomic bomb in World War II

Hmm... In a single bombing raid over Tokyo - ~100,000 Japanese people were killed and a million left homeless due to a horrific slaughter due to firebombing. Not only did it feature conventional weapons - it was worse than the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.

I think there's a bigger lesson here and by-and-large Americans are totally unaware of the event.

Bombing of Tokyo (10 March 1945)

On the night of 9/10 March 1945, the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) conducted a devastating firebombing raid on Tokyo, the Japanese capital city. This attack was code-named Operation Meetinghouse by the USAAF and is known as the Tokyo Great Air Raid (東京大空襲, Tōkyō dai-kūshū) in Japan. Bombs, dropped from 279 Boeing B-29 Superfortress heavy bombers, burned out much of eastern Tokyo.

More than 90,000 and possibly over 100,000 Japanese people were killed, mostly civilians, and one million were left homeless, making it probably the most destructive single air attack in human history, including the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Japanese air and civil defenses proved largely inadequate; 14 American aircraft and 96 airmen were lost.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 10 hours ago

It was all wooden housing :(

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

Pretending that it was out of the goodness of their heart and not MAD that they dont use it more i-cant

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[-] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago

That's a lot of words to say "jingoism is predicted to make the big bucks in the next few years, but I don't want to openly admit that I'm just trying to profit of an atrocity."

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[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

Doesn't sound like you'd have much of a story there, Jim.

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

If you cut together 90 minutes of explosions and show it in theaters, the burger brains will come

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 2 points 16 hours ago

Its James Cameron. It'll be 3 hours. And it will be the best selling movie ever somehow.

[-] Carl@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

Avatar 3 be like: maybe the na'vi's sacred tree just did that.

[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 6 points 21 hours ago

Meh he will say stuff like this but I don't think he is either stupid or incompetent enough to not understand you can't dictate how people see and consume art, artist's intent is not omnipotent. You can try to be as "impartial" as you want but if he is truly invested into showing the horror and atrocity then people will make the connection.

This is like making Titanic but not including the speed limit controversy choosing to not willingly vilify Ismay in the movie. He knows what he needs to do to do a good movie, that scene along with Ismay's portrayal as a literal mustache twirling villain is not at all necessary for the movie, yet he added anyway, not because of accuracy either as the real Titanic inquiry testimony is quite different from this. As such a Titanic nerd he knew this would be inaccurate.

So he "knows" what he is doing even if he wont say it out loud, these interviews are just to create buzz, he already got fuck off level money he can do whatever he wants. I only think its likely he is already afraid of Trump affecting Hollywood, [insert subverting expectations meme here] etc... Watch liberals be shocked that the US is shown committing the biggest atrocity ever etc...

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

my favorite genre of story: This thing happened. Now in 4K, 3D, 360° Burgervision!

no need to get all cerebral like some kind of context-obsessed nerdy dork. just show the magnificent spectacle of organized, mass murder and destruction. we're selling popcorn and nachos, people.

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