How are there so many of these medical doctor quacks? You'd think going to school that long would teach you something!
People with hip replacements can walk again for years afterwards. This is not normal.
Naturally , people die before age 45 and a hell of a lot of women and children do not survive the agony of childbirth
right wingers unironically want to return to the glory days of infant graveyards
Is she actually an MD?
...that is scary.
If you pay a University enough money, they'll give you any title or degree you want.
Case in point, Trump has an economics degree from Wharton.
Sort of. I got a biology degree which meant I spent a lot of time in and out of class with "pre med" students. It was a program my school was known for and significant portion of the student population. Of the 100 or so students I saw daily my senior year more than half are now doctors. And about of quarter of them do shit like this.
They aren't dumber or richer than anyone else, they just realized that you can gather a very large pile of money by selling bullshit to rubes.
Honestly I think schools these days are a test of patience and a test of playing social games. Not intelligence.
She's been out of school for too long. She probably a GP, which has a wealth of knowledge on all subjects but very little specific knowledge. Ask experts, not unqualified quacks.
She's actually an ENT, but it really doesn't matter what your specialty is. Mnra vaccines are new enough that unless you are actively researching them or are in a specialty like infections disease, most MD's aren't really going to be very familiar with them.
I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation, I know about bones, joints and the things that connect to bones and joints..... If anyone asks me about vaccines I'm going to refer them to someone who actually really knows what they're talking about.
I don't trust the vaccines because I went to med school. I trust the vaccines because my colleagues in infectious disease trust the vaccines and this is what they do all day.
Yeah like where is her degree from? They should be ashamed.
https://profile.tmb.state.tx.us/PublicProfile.aspx?7471e146-dc9e-48e1-b705-25b25003ce4a
Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University
Oh yeah? Today there are more people dying from dihydrogen monoxide than in the past.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes
While this may sound reasonable at first glance, it is only true most of the time. Sometimes a minute contains 59 or 61 seconds, even in Africa.
This is known as a leap second, named after Usain Bolt leaping over the finish line a second faster than everybody else
Einstein turbo-rolling in his grave, about to bore a hole through the earth to come and spank you
The rotational inertia of Einstein boring through the planet is responsible for leap seconds.
Elevation (really the force of gravity) has an effect on time, so that's technically only true at sea level.
Yeah the normality would require us dying
I'll take the antibodies every time.
I came up with an analogy for vaccines that I'm thinking might actually penetrate the think skulls of some of these motherfuckers. If you agree, please feel free to use it... It goes like this:
When soldiers are preparing for their life in the service, what do they do? Stand around with their thumbs in their asses waiting for an enemy to attack? No. They train. They train day and night. They train until they have all of the maneuvers and tactics burned into their brains.
They use guns and tanks to defend.
So for defense, most would agree that the soldiers doing the fighting need two main things: training and equipment.
This is the same for your immune system. The equipment that your body needs to mount a good defence comes in the form of vitamins, minerals, and most importantly, calories to keep everything operating as good as it can.
Vaccines are the other side of that equation. They're the training regimen for your immune system. It's the practice run before going into a live-fire situation.
Vaccines, in and of themselves, can't do shit to stop you from getting an infection, or a disease. That's not what vaccines do. They only train the soldiers of your immune system to recognize and effectively attack the enemy. Without them, your immune system soldiers will take longer to react to a threat because it will simply take longer to recognise it and attack/eliminate it.
That's it.
The problem isn't with the understanding of how vaccines work, the reason idiots don't want vaccines is they dont trust what you're telling them is the case.
In their mind, these soldiers you're training are better if they're naturally fit and learning how to fight through real world experience.
And this "training" you're giving your soldiers, is actually just Al-Qaeda's communist lgbtqia+/? agenda being pushed by Joe Biden and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (in their mind).
Here's the thing: you can't use logic to reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Yeah.
I think it's important to give explanations like Mystik's loudly and often, and maybe a bit quipier if it's too long, because constant exposure to talk radio and other conservative propaganda is partly why they fell into this trap in the first place.
But if they're not listening, you just gotta call them stupid weirdos and make them feel uncomfortable in public. Make their friends laugh at them, make it seem like your side is having more fun. The fear of being excluded will eventually pull them over, willingly or not.
Unless it doesn't. In which case, we're talking about a breakdown of the social order that is... I don't even know, man. That might be beyond fixing.
But if they're not listening, you just gotta call them stupid weirdos and make them feel uncomfortable in public. Make their friends laugh at them, make it seem like your side is having more fun. The fear of being excluded will eventually pull them over, willingly or not.
I'm glad that you're engaging with the topic, but that suggestion won't help. Publicly embarrassing someone who is holding onto an emotional belief like 'I can never trust the companies that make vaccines.' just pushes them to double down. Vaccine hesitancy and how to address it is a well studied topic and any form of attack just pushes the person into defense mode.
The best solution is actually compassion from those the vaccine hesitant most love and trust. Vaccine hesitancy begins with a lack of trust in the medical profession. Which may or may not be well founded, the medical community has some bad people in it.
Regardless, saying to your loved one "Okay you don't trust the scientists, but you do trust me, and I trust the science on this one." Is much more effective than arguing or publicly embarrassing someone.
just pushes them to double down.
It pushes them out of communities. You're not really understanding the strategy here. The point is not to make them believe, it is to silence their ideas with a bit of social conformity. This is the same reason you kick nazis out of your bar before they start bringing their friends.
If you make life difficult for people with obscenely bad ideas, you encourage them to either stop or at least be quiet about it. That quiet inhibits spread. It creates new taboos that people are afraid to cross.
Regardless, saying to your loved one "Okay you don't trust the scientists, but you do trust me, [...]
Their loved ones are welcome to do this. They should, actually. I can't really help them do that, though.
I tried using analogies to explain that I need antidepressants just like people need medicine for diabetes or blood pressure and my mother said I need just need to wear some necklace to fights the evil spirits and that chemicals are bad blahh blahh I just... 🤦♂️
You can't fight conservatives with logic, and when there are crazies using mainstream media to amplify their craziness, conspiracy theories and spiritualism seems even more legitimte to them, they think that science and spirialtualisn are on equal footing and each is equally valid. 🤦♂️🤷♂️ (yea I used the facepalm emoji twice in one comment, because emphasis is needed)
P.S. For context, my parents are not your typical white American christians in the deep south that you normally hear about online, if you think its just that stereotypical demographic beliving in weird things; they are agnostic theists (not sure what their "religion" really is btw, they dont visit religious buildings) and we are ethnic Chinese that are living in the US at the moment.
No analogy will get through to them because you don't understand the problem.
It's not about a lack of understanding on how vaccines work or the basic physics/biology/etc. behind it. It's about a not unfounded mistrust of media and medicine.
To use a medical analogy; you're providing a vaccine after they've gone into sepsis and are surprised that it's not curative.
Antibodies are LITERALLY the point. It's the mechanism by which our immune system identifies pathogens and triggers an immune response to them. If they diminish, your immune system is slower to respond and less effective at doing so. If they're gone, it's as if your immune system has never seen the pathogen before and has to adapt from zero again. Vaccines are a way to arm you with those antibodies without as much risk either from genuine infection or your immune system killing you in the attempt to figure out how to kill the new pathogen. You want the antibodies. They keep you healthier.
TL;DR: Vaccine=Antibodies=Good
That doesn't sound scary at all now that you say it that way.
Please make it scary again so I can fear it and believe it.
How does a medical association allow this person to keep her license?
Tricky, I'm no doctor but I think she's not exactly incorrect. It isn't 'normal' for us to have vaccines, etc, as vaccines are a -relatively- new thing for humans.
(However, it is better to have them than not.)
This is a "welllllll...she's technically correct" situation. The problem I have is how she's framing the issue and if I was her boss, or whatever, I would definitely be on to her to get an explanation of why she's framing it in an apparently negative way.
They were new in the 1700s. They are not a new thing for humans today. If you don't use vaccines you are an outlier to modern society.
Microplastics are found in significantly larger numbers within the bodies of anyone living today than in people who died hundreds of years ago. Living without microplastics is lethal.
More people die by swimming in water than by swimming in gas.
Ban water!
That's definitely false. Only a small percentage of people globally die while in water, while nearly everybody dies in a gas.
Plus, you are ignoring the addictive properties of gasses. While withdrawal symptoms of moderately addictive water take days to get serious, the withdrawal symptoms of much more addictive gases occur within only a couple minutes.
Lies of big water lobby.
"people who drink water have more hydrogen dioxide molecules in them"
edit: yes i see my error now and ill just leave it 💃
Bro here drinking HO~2~
You want spike protein antibodies. That's the point!
I somehow suspect she is not even using data conditioned by infection history and looking at a mix including individuals that might be recently infected with covid.
Years after? That would be great news.
I thought the protection period was way shorter, on the order of one year?
Yea starts waning after a year but there is a phenomenon called back boost is that if you get reinfected a year later with another variant, this still boosts antibodies to the variant of previous infections/vaccs. I suspect she might not have conditioned to select individuals with no recent infections. Also happens in regular vaccines (maybe less in magnitude than mRNA, that I don't know). Without this memory we would be toast and this lady does not even know this or does not know statistics. I hope she is not in some serious capacity for making healthcare decisions.
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