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[-] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 month ago

I mean the problem with any projection of earth onto a 2d simplified shape surface is that it will be inherently distorted. The Mercator projection is scaled properly towards the equator but has to scale upwards more and more toward the poles to be able to fit the given area.

Even their own map, which for some reason isn’t shown in either the video or on the main page, isn’t accurate either. It’s better but is also warped in its own way, it would be nice if they had a little blurb that says something to that effect.

Here’s the actual map projection they are pushing for; https://equal-earth.com/equal-earth-projection.html

[-] teft@piefed.social 24 points 1 month ago

Fuck that. Let's go for the euler spiral.

[-] T156@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It seems like the kind of thing that would give rise to the ~ Earth movement

[-] Gerblat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
[-] BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Tildearth desktop wallpaper

[-] minvasive@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

On linux tilde also represent home. Can have cute double meaning.

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[-] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago
[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

We could also have made Mercator maps of varying position, but that might not center Europe.

[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago

I didn't think I'd ever have a favourite map but here we are.

[-] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 2 points 1 month ago

That projection shows how vast the Pacific is

[-] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 1 month ago

Not a single link there to technical details about the projection.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

The site has several pretty bad design issues. Aside from not having an image of the thing they're trying to convince you to support, the page is unreadable in dark mode, and uses a laggy mouse cursor that feels like I'm back on Geocities.

You'd think that, given the nature of this project, that these sorts of optics would be something that team would be more capable of handling.

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[-] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

Just want to point out... their "equal" and "correct" map is missing New Zealand...

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[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago
[-] Gork@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

I kinda like the Winkel Triple or Kavrayskiy VII projections. They look a bit more natural compared to the Mercator.

[-] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Why does the map on the website need that draggable divider when both versions show both types of projection?

[-] aeiou_ckr@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I was wondering the same thing.

i think the best solution (besides globes which are impractical on screens/posters) is having no standard, expose kids in school to 3 or 4 different projections so they learn there's no standard and all protections are as valid and all with drawbacks and advantages.

[-] realitista@lemmus.org 4 points 1 month ago

Since this article gave you everything except the one thing you want to see, here's what the Equal Earth projection looks like

[-] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

Yes, it is an awful website with an awful promotion video. Sizing the countries down but not connecting them and not showing you the world map as it would look like in total is absolutely not furthering the cause. I'm so mad I'm not sure I even want to sign the petition to be honest. Granted, my school atlas did not have the mercator projection.

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The Mercator projection was great for navigating oceans, baring remain correct. There are thousands of other map projections that do a better job preserving size, shape, directions, and distances. Any projection will be a tradeoff between these.

As far as I know the Mercator projection has mostly fallen out of use in education, and I don’t think there’s any standard that requires it anywhere. So I’m not sure exactly what this is about.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This will never happen as long as Big Greenland pulls the strings of power in the cartography world.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

And they're very big. Have you looked at a map lately? Do you expect tiny little Africa to stand up to that?

[-] theherk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

This is such a garbage take. There is no way to “show our world as it truly is” in two dimensions. I’m all about showing other projects and orientations. Classrooms should have “upside down” maps and Albert maps for example. But we should also teach that each projection has benefits and drawbacks. I was taught that decades ago. Have we stopped?

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 1 points 1 month ago

The way the world's going, the next accepted projection will be depicted on the backs of four elephants atop a turtle.

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[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Those distances get exaggerated up on the poles though. What about that other one that looks like a bunch of orange slices?

[-] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 month ago

If you're going to break things up, at least use the Waterman Butterfly, which doesn't look disgusting or split Greenland in half.

[-] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Mercator? I barely even know her!

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

This is the best idea I’ve heard since that one weird website I found that said every country should put a sky blue pennant above their flag to remind us we share a planet.

[-] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

It's now trivial, in 2025, to depict the world as a 3D shape, this is coming a few decades after it matters, imo.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

By signing the petition you take a stand against a false narrative that downplays Africa’s vast size and diversity as the second-largest continent, reducing its perceived importance in global politics and economics. You can correct the narrative.

I'll be real here, I have no idea what these people are talking about. The way Africa looked on maps has never had any bearing on my or probably anyone's thinking of how important the continent is in global politics or economics. If someone thinks "country/continent looks small so they must be unimportant," they are either a child or a fool. Or both.

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[-] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

Whatever map that uses Eurasia rather than pretend Europe is it's own continent is fine by me

[-] logi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Faithfully projecting a globe onto a flat surface is impossible and all projections have to balance a number of compromises. Mercator retains compass directions and the shapes of land masses but entirely sacrifices relative scale between equatorial regions and polar regions. This makes it great for navigating a 17th century vessel. Other projections strike a different balance, like this one, and sacrifice compass direction and land mass shapes in order to perfectly retain scale. On this map, my little Arctic island looks like someone stepped on it.

IMO a balanced projection will compromise on all the nice properties a projection can have, and if that isn't acceptable, then get a globe.

[-] mrmule@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

This map messed with my head. I was in a bar in Southern Greenland and they had this on the wall!

[-] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

CMV: this movement only matters to stupid people, and does not qualify as something "I should know".

[-] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

maybe a little abrasive in tone but i don’t totally disagree, this is kind of fucking dumb and i don’t understand why i’m seeing this everywhere rn.

mercator hasn’t been ubiquitous in decades and when it is used today there’s usually an actual reasoning, however valid one decides it to be.

what the fuck are these people talking about?

a campaign for this? what, are we going to campaign to cease the use of subway maps next because they give a dishonest sense of size and scale of metros?

this feels like weird distraction bait from things that actually matter.

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 2 points 1 month ago

mercator hasn’t been ubiquitous in decades

This is the correct take... The only time people care about maps these days are when they go to maps.google.com. And that's an actual 3d representation. Therefore this issue is such a non-fucking-issue that I don't understand why I've seen so much noise about it here.

It's stupid.

Does it matter that I don't know the actual size of Africa compared to Greenland? No... It's completely irrelevant to just about anyone's day to day life. And even if I did grow up on a map that was more accurate... You know what I'd likely miss out on then? Actual directionality which DOES matter more for a typical person.

Looking at the other maps presented in these threads... They all lose the ability to reference NSEW compass directions.

Except for one... and guess what... that one is the one that I actually remember from school. Or at least a variation close enough to it that can't make out any difference from my memory.

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[-] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

DYMAXION MAP OR GTFO

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It has less distortion of relative size of areas, most notably when compared to the Mercator projection; and less distortion of shapes of areas, notably when compared to the Gall–Peters projection. Other compromise projections attempt a similar trade-off.

More unusually, the Dymaxion map does not have any "right way up". Fuller argued that in the universe there is no "up" and "down", or "north" and "south": only "in" and "out".[9] Gravitational forces of the stars and planets created "in", meaning "towards the gravitational center", and "out", meaning "away from the gravitational center". He attributed the north-up-superior/south-down-inferior presentation of most other world maps to cultural bias.

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[-] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Fuck this. We can do ~~better~~ worse

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