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[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 107 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The one thing that brings me joy is the lamentations of farmers. How many billions in subsidies have these monsters gotten. They poison our water and keep livestock in shit filled cages, exploit and terrorize migrant workers, speculate on our land, destroy our topsoil and our air and every ecosystem they can reach.

[-] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 53 points 1 week ago

If we are to dismantle the farmer class we must do so in a way which sustains urban populations. Beyond the longer-term objective of reconciling town and country, we are currently in dire straits and therefore must revert to crudities we would not entertain were our movement more buoyant: we must first and foremost become urban chauvinists who are willing to leverage the various mights of the city in an uncompromising struggle against the farmer political effort. We have a larger population, a greater degree of infrastructure, a higher standard of technology, and closer proximity to the halls of political power. They have agriculture. That is all they have and with this blackmail alone they intend to enslave us to their interests. They must be defeated or else they will fuck topsoil forever and choke us to death with the flatulence of their cows.

[-] mickey@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

This article goes hard, thanks for sharing I look forward to reading more from "Vaunted Homosexual"

We must deeply ingraine the knowledge that the idea farmers ‘grow your food’ is a lie propagated by a lobby of little Hitlers.

Hell yeah dude I thought I was getting rude enough to steel myself for class struggle but clearly I am far too hinged, I will redouble my efforts.

[-] woodenghost@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

Good read. Of course these western industrial farmers are bourgeois and not peasants. Just want to add, that statistically most farmers protesting in recent years have been Indian farmers who have a different class character, and should not be confused with these western farmers. Not saying it's all black and white, just that this analysis probably doesn't apply for India, even though it's where most farmers were protesting.

Indeed, with over 250 million participants in a single protest, if you randomly pick one human on earth who took part in any protest at all of the last five years, you're very likely going to pick one from the Indian farmers protest.

[-] Blakey@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

the only thing they have is all food production

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago

calling farm owners "food producers" is like calling landlords "housing providers"

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

If industrial civilisation collapses due to climate change there is just not enough coal to reindustrialise so the human race will be stuck oppressing itself in feudalism forever.

I'm not convinced of this persons seriousness

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

There's a theory that coal is a prerequisite for the industrial revolution, that trying to do an industrial revolution with just charcoal and windmills/watermills might be impossible.

The lack of coal limits the kinds of steel that can be smelted, which then limits the kinds of machines that can be made. The reliance on renewable energy limits the amount of power that can be generated away from fixed power sources, giving feudal lords unending monopoly over power generation rather than giving way to trade and private property and capital.

So, if society has to rebuild itself 10,000 years after a total collapse that pushes us to near extinction we might not be able to get past feudalism.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

We have the capacity to create biodiesel and methane from sources that fully integrate into the carbon cycle.

Also we really shouldn't be putting much stock into resource-based determinism. Coal was not a sine qua non for successful revolutions in Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, or Cuba.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We have the capacity to do that now, with our current level of technology. The question is if we could have reached the capacity to do these things without first burning coal; a hypothetical world where we have to somehow escape from feudalism without coal.

And don't dismiss steel. We're only just now figuring out how to eliminate coal from the process, making steel just from charcoal using iron-age technology is technically doable but so resource intensive and the resulting quality of steel so low that it might never have been able to fuel industrialization. This then limits the extent of mechanization and firearms and railroads etc etc

It's harder than you're giving credit. Revolutionaries in the 1900s didn't have to overthrow feudalism using guns made from steel forged with charcoal and milled on machines turned by water wheels. We really might have needed coal to get this far.

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[-] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 52 points 1 week ago

Modern day kulaks

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Or modern day plantation owners.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Especially soybean farmers. That’s not, smol bean (no pun intended) family farm selling their wide variety of veggies at the local farmer’s market. That’s, acres upon acres of monoculture for byproducts owned by what are effectively landlords.

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

I think the topsoil destruction is a looming disaster that idk how we'll solve

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Compost?

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Probably. It would probably be discouraged at large because of the costs and labour intensive. I saw the 4 per 1000' initiative from france that helps offset erosion with the organic substance increase in there by 0.4%. Also offsets carbon output. Seems some more farmers moving onto regenerative agriculture but I wonder if it will be enough. It needs to be done on wider scale because the erosion levels have been catastrophic so far

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

Yeah need to get rid of the capitalism thing.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

Probably some combination of biochar sequestration, agroforestry, permaculture, degrowth, and "fallowing". There is really no viable alternative to more labor-intensive (read: 10% of workforce instead of 1%) food production though.

[-] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago

What is it about agriculture in the west that makes you reigning world champion of shooting yourself in the foot, politically? Like all the other people who own the means of production and/or land don't do this.

[-] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

Farmers feed people, this guy grows a cash crop for export. Idk what to call him but farmer isn't it

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[-] fannin@hexbear.net 64 points 1 week ago

Oh damn it’s the consequences of my ideology

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 59 points 1 week ago

I know there are deeper material forces at play but for a large part the Trump movement really took wings because white America couldn’t handle Obama being president while black. And that’s just fucking incredible. Like if you peeled away all the layers of ignorance and racism they’ve accumulated you’d find ones labeled things like “Dijon mustard is gay and European” and “The Obamas got a dog that is gay and European” etc etc and there is a non-zero percent chance that the pebble that triggered the landslide of cheeseburgered fascism was shit like that.

When I die please extract my brain and stomp it through a colander in front of these people so they can have a visual metaphor for what the rest of us went through putting up with this stupid shit.

[-] tocopherol@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago

Trump became a true 'political figure' in a sense when he started saying Obama was born in Kenya and his birth certificate was fake, he saw how easily the racists will just believe whatever the fuck you say as long as it's what they want to believe, and no other politician was willing to do it so openly. It is pretty amazing how much of the US's entire history is driven by racism.

[-] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Funniest part is that hillary started the birther shit in her run against obama in '08 lmao

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Gay AND European? you say?

[-] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

Legally Blonde musical is 10/10

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[-] Kultronx@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago

as an outsider, it was really puzzling, saying stuff like 'obama divided us and destroyed the economy!'... no idea how that happened. obv he's a pos war criminal, but the divided line getting repeated is so bizarre

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

He did the same things as every other American President. And yet he "divided us". How? Oh, well there was one difference I suppose you can point to...

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago

The TEA Party movement was the reaction against Obama (also largely based on material forces), 6 years before Trump declared his candidacy. There might be some threads of it that were picked up by Trump, but a lot of it was just formerly disengaged anti-establishment sentiment. And also outright fascists. Lots of fascists.

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 46 points 1 week ago

fell-for-it-again

[-] miz@hexbear.net 44 points 1 week ago

a-little-trolling

[-] ComRed2@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago

"Still love the car tho-" I mean "still love the president though".

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 35 points 1 week ago

But I still fly a dozen Trump cult flags and park two semi truck billboards in support next to highway. I also give lots of money to the Republicans. My wife's Moms for Liberty chapter harassed the town council to fire the local librarian and defund the library over queer indoctrination from Libs of Tiktok conspiracy brainworms .

[-] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago

Trumps dekulakization campaign going forward as planned. Comrades are in control.

[-] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 29 points 1 week ago

So you mean you got played? Yes, yes you did. Still, y’all voted for this.

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

No they voted for reduced taxes and slave labor. Not this.

[-] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago

Not really. They voted for tariffs (=taxes) and deportation of “illegals” (slaves).

[-] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

And specifically a “trade war with China”

Brother I don’t know what you think a trade war means if you thought you’d still be able to sell China your soybeans with no issue

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[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://archive.is/9CmVo

Ask yourself why these bourgeois scum bags would support terrorizing a class of people to which 40% of their own labor force belongs and then turn around and ask that it not affect their own workers. It's not hypocrisy. They want their farms to be the only valid place for those people to be and they want absolute control over their lives. They wanted something more like a round up escaped slaves. It is as Amerikkkan as apple pie.

[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

His only comfort right now is watching ICE brutalize brown people

[-] davdoran@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 week ago

Tired of winning yet, farmers?

[-] primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus 18 points 1 week ago

Oh damn. So are you interested in sane sustainable communism-not-just-for-you arrangement, where you don't have to hire someone to hack every single tool you buy or grow earth ruining trash a human can't even eat?

[-] nothx@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

"this isn't what i voted for"

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

Is it my imagination or does this guy look like an old Michael Rapaport

[-] mactan@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

petit beourgeoisie temporarily embarrassed plantation owner

[-] Fidels_Beard@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Soy cuckedservatives

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

fuck-around

[-] Self_Sealing_Stem_Bolt@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

fell-for-it-again

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

Stupid secy Rollins

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

ancaptain is really going to be able to stay diplomatically and politically solvent for an entire term, just because of Trump being there to catch most of the shock, isn't he?