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[-] karashta@piefed.social 16 points 1 month ago

As just a random guy, I might conflate their kindness for interest because I get so little attention and positive reinforcement. No one is there telling us we are beautiful or talented or smart or whatever with any frequency, even if you have these qualities.

Your full attention already feels like more than a kindness. And the additional, actual, kindness can be taken for interest because of the paucity of people interested in "random guy". 

I don't think women are wholly wrong for getting this type of attitude. It has to be frustrating and draining constantly fending off suitors when you just wanted a normal nice chat or something.

Just thought I'd share my older man perspective.

[-] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I think it may be a little more complex than this. I'm a man that was quite good looking in my youth. I got fat and ugly in middle age, and became invisible to women. Now, at 60, I'm in the best physical shape of my life, have largely recovered my looks, I dress nicely, and am blown away about how differently I am treated by women now, especially women over 40. I regularly get compliments about my appearance, and due to the halo effect I seem to collect compliments on nearly everything I do. Having been invisible to women for more than a decade, it feels a little strange to be showered with attention.

That said, not every woman wants the same thing from me, but they do all seem to want my attention, including married women, oddly enough. They want to feel pretty, feel desired, even if they aren't going to act on those feelings. I frequently get women showing clear signs of interest (intentionally putting themselves in my orbit, mirroring my behavior, initiating physical touch, etc., etc.) in an effort to draw a response from me, even women who are not in a position to follow through on their actions. These are not women just being kind or benignly friendly. Here is one recent example. I was at a friend's birthday party, and was approached by a woman I had met in dance class. She was moderately flirty during the the course of our conversation, and asked if I were seeing anyone, as she had noted seeing me regularly with one of my female friends. Our conversation ended with her stating that she was looking forward to seeing me in class. At the next class, she wore a sexy black cocktail dress, which was a bit out of character for her. For me, she was showing clear and unmistakable signs of interest. However, when talking, she mentions her husband in passing, which made me wonder what the hell was going on. I later learned that her husband is in the late stages of pancreatic cancer. My takeaway from this experience is that she was trying to elicit my interest to bask in the glow of my male attention, and that she probably isn't looking to step out on him (which is something that I wouldn't engage with).

In the last 6 months, I've had many other similar experiences, where women are definitely seeking my attention in circumstances where they have no intention of following through. It feels good to be desired, whether you are a man or a woman, and if a woman is constantly drawing romantic interest "accidentally", it's worth it for her to consider what energy she is putting out.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fat ugly chicks get raped too.

Your train of thought falls apart when you realize one thing: the bar for "attractiveness" is infinitely higher for men than women. Women don't need to be "putting out energy". All they need to do is exist at the right place at the right time.

Edit: I should clarify. As a man, I'm not jealous of this. Women's lives are shit because they are constantly getting attention from the wrong people in the wrong way.

[-] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Context is everything. Sure, men are more aggressive and women will definitely get some unwanted attention. People often think that as a consequence, women don't want to be approached by men in public. However, if you dig deeper, women don't mind being approached, so long it is done by someone they want to be approached by. It is the reality captured by the "Hello, Human Resources" meme.

[-] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

It's far more about how someone approaches than about who approaches.

[-] forrgott@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Not just suitors, I'm afraid. The vast majority of the women you will meet in your life have been the victim of some form of sexual harassment, if not outright assault or rape.

So, yeah, it's disheartening but I totally agree with your perspective on this.

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 month ago
[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

The pau- root meaning few/little is the same as in pauper

https://www.etymonline.com/word/*pau-#etymonline_v_52622

[-] HuntressHimbo@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

This is a pattern that if applied broadly feels guaranteed to spiral into the opposite of the desired outcome.

  1. Be rude as a rule to men

  2. Men interpret what was once 'rude' as normal behavior

  3. Stepping positively outside the new normal gets interpreted as possible sexual interest

  4. Now you are required to be even ruder baseline to avoid misinterpretation, and men just get treated worse socially.

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[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I hate when a woman is mean to me for doing something nice like holding the door because she thinks I want to sleep with her. No ma’am, I don’t. I was just being nice. My wife has all that other stuff covered.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I'm just happy that around me, everyone just holds doors for everyone else, regardless of gender. Guys hold open doors for guys. Girls hold open doors for guys. It's not weird.

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[-] dingus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Sad thing is that having a spouse doesn't at all stop a hell of a lot of people. To be clear, I'm not saying this is limited to men...all genders do this. I've personally never understood why. If you don't want to be with your significant other, break up with them. It's a zillion times worse to betray their trust and intimacy and then break up anyway when they find out.

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[-] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Same reason I'm mean to women. I wouldn't want them thinking I want to sleep with them.

[-] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I feel you. Ill do something nice, like open a door and smile, then immediately turn and ignore them.

[-] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

When someone thanks me for holding the door, I let them know I wasn't holding open for them. I was holding it those people coming and point to someone way too far away to hold a door open for.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

it's ok.

I'm a little mean to bitches because if you treat them like women they think they can be mean to you.

[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That sounds like equality of treatment and we all know that isn't fair to some.

[-] jaschen306@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Don't flatter yourself, cupcake.

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[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

ITT: men who don't understand

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I just assume no one is interested in me ever, no matter how nice they are to me. I also go out of my way to avoid contact with humans in the first place.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

This is the way.

[-] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Beautiful lady gives me a big smile and a kind hello and my first thoughts are: “Don’t get your hopes up, mate. No way she’s single and if she is then no way she’s into someone like you. Be kind, but keep those expectations in check.”

Hasn’t failed me so far.

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[-] dingus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
[-] Lioffproxy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I think is normal.

[-] Emi@ani.social 2 points 1 month ago
[-] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

Gender war content is shitty and to be downvoted regardless of whether it is true or false

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

And if a man is nice to a woman, or other men, people think he wants to sleep with them. So we should all be mean to each other just to be safe, because that's easier than changing our collective attitudes towards men, sexuality, and men's emotions.

Uh... Bitch...? Sorry had to throw that in there just in case.

[-] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Guys I think she wants me. :\

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[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

As a woman I have to say this is true. If you smile there will be at least one "funny" or "nice" message in the end of the day

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[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Something about drinking poison and expecting the other to die comes to mind.

[-] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Phew the comments here. Chill out people, it's a meme. And seeing the new "alpha-male" era we are in, she's not wrong.

[-] despite_velasquez@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The "alpha-male" era manosphere enjoyers don't care. This meme is basically ammunition to say "see, we need to end universal suffrage" to their communities

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[-] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That lipstick with that shirt tho

[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago
[-] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'm not sure which eye to look at

[-] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The problem is that a lot of women are really terrible at giving the right signals, and men are really bad at reading them.

And because men are the ones that pursue women traditionally, what do you expect them to do?

If they think there's even a small chance, they will make the move, because they know if they don't, even if that woman likes them, she will never ever make the first move.

The problem is the traditional approach to romance and the fact that women rarely pursue the men they like.

So go ahead, be a single grumpy bitch, because some men try to hit on you.

I dream that a woman would hit on me.

[-] blarghly@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Relevant

OP is getting a lot of downvotes. I assume, from straight guys who are offended at this notion. As a straight guy myself, I understand their frustration. But straight up (ha!) - if you are a straight guy who is pissed off by this message, you are fucking up.

Why? Because it's the truth. Go outside, go touch some grass, and observe how women interact with each other (or with obviously gender non-conforming people). They hug as soon as they meet. They give each other compliments. They ask for contact info and proactively make plans to spend time together. In the context of this post, this is what is meant by "treating them like a human". It isn't just basic respect. It is giving them a feeling of warmth, support, and acceptance.

So if you're a guy, and you feel like the world is cold, unsupportive, and unwelcoming - great! Here is some validation of that feeling! You are right! Enjoy the ego boost!

But also - now you know this information. And this is good, because even though it feels bad to know that half the planet doesnt trust you by default while they trust the other half implicitly, it also points you in the right direction for solving your problem.

Here's the thing. Women do, in fact, like to fuck. Even with men?? Yes! But what they don't like is dealing with the emotional turmoil of guys who want to fuck them that they don't want to fuck back. This could come in two forms:

  1. The guy who asks them out, clearly a bundle of nerves that could explode into rage or tears at any moment. A lot has been said about how women have legitimate fears about men becoming violent or vindictive when they are turned down, but I don't think this is worth focusing on, because we're all very nice people here who wouldn't do anything to hurt someone else even if we feel bad about getting rejected. However, I think it is also important to keep in mind that most women are nice and they feel bad about making someone feel bad by rejecting them. And so if you ask a woman out and will clearly feel bad if she rejects you, then when she rejects you she will also feel bad, which is an emotional load on her, and she doesn't like that.

  2. The guy who never asks them out, but who is clearly into them. The guy who always shows up, sticks by her side at every moment, laughs too hard at all of her jokes. This guy is annoying. Maybe if he just asked her out when they first met, she'd be into him, but he just keeps hanging around, making her constantly feel his now-unwanted attraction. But she can't tell him to go away, or that she isn't interested in him, because then she would feel like a presumptuous bitch. So she feels stuck, always trying to shake this guy off or avoid him whenever he shows up.

So the solution is simple. Don't be those guys. Literally all you need to do is not pin your self worth to whether or not any particular girl likes you. If your see a girl you are interested in, then go say hi and have a normal fucking conversation. Then, at a point in time when it wouldn't be awkward as fuck, just say "hey, btw, I think you're gorgous/adorable/super interesting/a total baddie/the girl with the best hair here. Wanna go out sometime?" If she says yes, great! Maybe she even wants to make out right now! If she says no, also great, you have a new friend and you can release whatever nerves you had about whether or not an attractive stranger likes you.

If they think there's even a small chance, they will make the move, because they know if they don't, even if that woman likes them, she will never ever make the first move.

Or in my case, I find out after the fact that she wanted me to make a move, and I was continuously dismissing her hints because I didn’t want to be creepy and/or ruin a good friendship if I was misreading the situation. My best friend of like 4 years ended up pissed when I started dating someone new, because she had been hoping I would ask her out. Like bitch, why didn’t you say that when I was single?

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[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Just another person to ignore. The world is full of them.

[-] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, since I can't see the difference, I make advances on no one. I hated all the moments I was made aware that a woman who I was attracted to had an interest in me, though - it was always too late

But yes, most men are creeps or even worse, and women have to protect themselves. Couldn't imagine being in their shoes

[-] Gonzako@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I'll be honest, just disregard all these kind of posts and just be sincere and unregarded about the world at large. Neither feminist nor right wing dating advice will get you anywhere, you'll just go advancing their agenda.

Just move forward in live, whatever that means to you; act like the world is going to acomodate you and it'll most likely will (tho, this assumes you have secured a source of income, capitalist society and such).

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