I don't think it was the Mexican farmers that gave us diabeetus. I'd blame it on the sugar cartels in the US.
that's a bingo! rest of the world doesn't use corn syrup
High-fructose maize isn't an Indegenous invention: that's a White invention.
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You can blame the sugar cartels all you want, The truth is if you’re an American, you finance this shit through your taxes. Corporations suck, but what sucks more is that people don’t realize they help pay for their own slow demise in the name of profit.
Oh for sure, the broader argument to me would be about sugar subsidies. I don't support subsidizing the sugar/corn/meat industries. If I had a magic wand I'd much rather those taxes subsidize more nutrient dense foods.
thx for the diabeetus
you know you don't have to turn it into corn syrup right? that crap isn't used widely anywhere but in the US
The crazy thing is, every time I have tried a yank drink with corn syrup that my country has the equivalent to without corn syrup, the yank one tastes like ass without fail, and leaves your mouth feeling weird.
Corn syrup is better than our other main use for it: Ethanol
Problem is that we have such extreme subsidies that vast swaths of farmers are now entirely reliant on corn subsidies. We make far more corn than we have any use for because of it
No politician wants to be the one to take away the insane corn subsidies because a whole lot of farmers will be upset, and the American public is generally unaware of how wasteful the subsidies are
Seriously, grilled on the cob dipped in butter is the most bestest way to consume this sweet grass!
Especially because most of the corn eaten in the rest of the Americas isn't sweet at all. It's more equivalent of rice, pasta, potatoes, etc...
and turkey, they domesticated the turkey we eat...
and china, they domesticated chinese food
Chinese food as we know, everywhere except China, is a purely American invention. It's history is really interesting, especially how the restaurant owners of the 80s convinced everyone MSG was poison.
It even started in the late 60's early 70's, originally referred to at "Chinese restaurant syndrome." Rooted in anti Asian racism, supposedly we were slowly being poisoned... by tasty tasty Asian food with added msg.
So... it's not poison? Propaganda is a bitch
It's psychosomatic. MSG is also in tomatoes, mushrooms, and tons of savory salted snacks such as Doritos. None of those tend to trigger the symptoms people claim to have after eating Chinese food.
"Ranch" flavor comes basically 100% from salt and MSG. There is a microscopic amount of herbs that make next to no difference. Ask anyone who thinks MSG is bad for you if they have cut out Ranch dressing for some hilarity. (May not apply to non-Americans).
What do people claim about MSG?
Personal anecdote from cooking for years for a variety of people of varying intelligence, background, and countries:
Most people claim it gives them headaches and nausea.
They "know" this because they feel it every time they eat (american) "Chinese food"
Not a single one has ever had either symptom after eating my cooking that has a little sprinkled in.
Now, I have tried to prove a point to some by informing them (many hours after the food, and asking about how they feel) that they in fact ingested MSG without issue and had no symptoms, usually to rounds of spontaneous nausea and headaches that had apparently gone unnoticed for hours until just then.
It could be that ingesting a shit-load of greasy, oily, carbs and over-eating that caused their nausea and headaches when they gorged themselves on "Chinese" food, but no, they know it's the MSG.
So, in short, they're heavily allergic to their own thought processing.
Chinese food* as we** know
*only applicable to western chinese food
**the American
That's no longer accurate, as there are plenty of authentic Chinese restaurants in areas with Chinese communities that aren't just trying to get western locals to visit. The dim sum place I've been to didn't even have much English on their menu and it really helped to have some colleagues present who knew Chinese (both the language and the food).
Easily one of the best meals I've ever had, and I'm not usually a fan of the western chinese style.
dim sum is called dim sum though, you wouldn't expect to get dim sum except at brunch/lunch time and if someone says they are going to get Chinese food it'd be a surprise to get dim sum. Even traditional Chinese restaurants that cater to Chinese people serve Americanized Chinese food. In the Seattle Chinatown there's restaurants that have Chinese only menus that don't have any of the same stuff as the English menu. I've been to them with Chinese speakers and it's a totally different experience then going there with just my wife.
my original point is that "Chinese food" to most of the western world is the stuff that American Chinese immigrants invented. Real Chinese food isn't called Chinese food because China is massive and they have so many food cultures that those cultures are what that style of food is called
In Turkey corn is called "Egypt" and India is called "land of" either "Turkeys" or "Hinduists" depending on how you chose to interpret it.
I select the first one.
Mexico didn’t exist back then. Europeans hadn’t conquered and genocided and created states in the Americas.
This was native (indigenous) americans.
Mexicans are native
indigeneity and nationality are two different concepts that have nothing to do with each other.
this can range from indigenous Oaxacans who are US citizens to Mexican citizens who are settlers who murder indigenous people in Mexico to steal their land.
What did the natives call the region in their language?
Well before Mexico, it was the Aztecs and they called their land Aztlán, Mexico is probably some bastardized name from Nahuatl
there was never a Aztec people that was the name someone made up. The Mexica people are the ones you are talking about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztecs
I don't know where exactly maize was cultivated, but Mexico comes from city Mexico-Tenochtitlan.
They found millenia old traces of maize in the valley of the Rio Balsa in Xihuatoxtla and also in the valley of Tehuacán.
Something about Coxcatlán phase. Couldn't find a name of a people who would have been responsible for the domestication.
It's easiest to say it happened in Mesoamerica.
thx for the diabeetus
fun fact, that is a eugenicist health scare campaign started by settlers to demonize indigenous peoples whose traditional diets are rich in corn.
famine and genocide are known causes of chronic illness. surviving colonialism is inherently disabling and heightened diabetes rates are a side-effect of that. it makes no scientific sense to me to completely ignore the social determinants of health and blame the diets of entire ethnic groups for their chronic illness rates.
The change from teosinte to maize involved a surprisingly small change to it's genetic code. Something like 5 genes.
So there is hope for people with small dick size?
Learn to eat pussy/suck dick or find a partner with an unusually small vagina/bussy.
To become corn? Very little.
They werent mexicans they were mayans, spanish came over and banged em' turned em into mexicans.
I tell you, there is nothing more Lemmy than people taking jokes/memes super seriously in the comments.
Ain't nobody made you fat from that but you. If you were living like the natives were back then, you might be keeping fitter with it
And if 90% of it wasn't GMO'd to hell so that the fructose yield was unnaturally high
"It's the Coca-Cola, stupid".
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