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submitted 2 weeks ago by oyzmo@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

I experience Lemmy as a reflection of many of the problems in the world; there seems to be little effort to understand and respect different viewpoints. Instead of being curious about opinions one disagrees with, the community often feels almost aggressive. People end up in their own trenches. What about trying to be more open and curious about our differences instead?

Apparently we believe in freedom of speech—so long as the speech is something we agree with....

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[-] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

More of a rant than a genuine question. Locking.

[-] ollie@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

What have you found is not being tolerated?

[-] Soulcreator@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

Mention anything about veganism and watch the comments pile on. The Lemmy group mind is not a fan of anything that challenges their currently held viewpoints.

Veganism in particular is hard for some people, because it pokes holes in their current world view and it effectively says you could be doing more, for people who already view themselves as ethical and caring hearing some of those hard truths can feel like an attack.

And on Lemmy in particular people like to shut down dissenting viewpoints such as those.

And please don't hit me with responses on why you think veganism is dumb, I'm merely making an observation as to what is not tolerated on this platform.

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Vegans who treat it like a religion are difficult to be around. Vegans who treat it like a personal choice, are not.

That's true of any life choice though. People get offended when other people don't make the same choices or have the same beliefs, because they feel in attacks of invalidates them as a person.

I mean, I don't cheat in relationships and I am monogamous. But for many people that's a controversial statement that I have had a ton of pushback on because it makes them feel attacked if they are cheaters or polyamorous. Usually informing me how 'ignorant' I am, or how 'judgemental' I am... for simple express my own rules for myself.

[-] Anuttara@leminal.space 0 points 2 weeks ago

Vegans who treat it like a religion are difficult to be around. Vegans who treat it like a personal choice, are not.

a lot of ppl think that when i say "i'm vegan", i'm saying "u should be too". i've never told anyone they should be vegan.

[-] AskewLord@piefed.social 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Maybe, but I've met plenty of vegans who scream in your face about it. And they give a bad name to everyone else, like any extremists do.

I also am biased because I dated a vegan woman for a year who constantly whined about it, and would eat meat, and then cry about what a bad awful vegan she was and if only I was vegan too I could show her the 'way'. It was utterly bizarre.

So frankly, I kind of don't want to deal with vegans in my life ever again given those experiences. Just like I don't interact with people who have MBAs.

[-] Anuttara@leminal.space 1 points 2 weeks ago

im sorry for ur experience :( we're not all like that but obs ur not gonna hear about the ones that aren't annoying... cuz they aren't being annoying about it

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[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Their post history includes anti-immigration views and comments in favor of AI copy-paste posts. I guess that answers it...

I didn't even bother scrolling past that.

To the downvoters:

What makes you disagree? Did OP make some sort of clear point in a different post in their history, or what did I miss? Because right now by downvoting you're just proving OP right. Downvoting without clear cause and interaction. The reply to this comment is a nothing burger.

[-] rain_enjoyer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

op: lemmy is so intolerant against my views!

insert untitled goose with a knife chasing op: what views, fucker?

it's not always like this, but it happens so often i'm not surprised

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

there you go. we don't tolerate fascism.

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

It’s always a persecution complex with them.

[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

How dare you persecute me for encouraging the persecution of immigrants!!!!

[-] Voidian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago

I actually did scroll past that.

You are the problem, and so are the people who upvoted you without at looking for themselves at all.

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[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

its there. I have seen it. its also not there. use the block. make the experience you want.

[-] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

I've seen the opposite. I've enjoyed conversation's here and people generally have good facts to back up their point. There's a few assholes but way less than reddit. I'm worried it will get worse though.

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[-] Peluri96@feddit.org 0 points 2 weeks ago

Dont know how you got this impression but i think people are quite civil here. I guess people here have the tendency to be more left leaning. I guess if your opinions dont align with that i can imagine that a lot of people will disagree with you. But i guess this is the "curious about our differences" you talk about. They state their differences after you stated yours.

[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 weeks ago

I'm a conservative and lemmy is still more welcoming and civil than reddit ever was.

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

I can't help but be curious, what made you choose slrpnk.net - an instance for environmentalist anarchists - as a conservative? Did you misread conservationism or something?

[-] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago

Now this is some S-tier trolling, the kind of thing that could've incited a weeks-long flame war back in the Usenet days. The key here is the lack of any specifics, so each reader can interpret the issue differently by filling in the details from their own experiences. And it's framed so that either I agree that Lemmy users have bad attitudes, or I disagree and prove it. *chef's kiss*

[-] Iconoclast@feddit.uk -1 points 2 weeks ago

lack of any specifics

Bringing up specific examples would be counterproductive - the whole thread would just turn into a debate about those examples instead of staying on the actual point. The discussion isn't about what the disagreement is over; it's about what that disagreement looks like.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, I agree, since the actual point is to generate lots of heated discussion without any resolution. Without any specifics, all that's left is vibes, and vibes are the best way to rile people up.

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

Give us an example what you’re referring to…your comment doesn’t mean a lot of without any context.

“Freedom of speech” is a fraught concept. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean one must accept the views of another, for example. Freedom of speech is also accepting reaction to your speech. Each speaker is “owed” whatever freedom you’re proposing.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, we've hand now hundreds, maybe even more low grade trolls butthurt here that they aren't allowed to be racist sexist piles of shit and whine about free speech. No dudes, we have the right not to host your shit. Not saying OP is one of them, but I'll throw a link at 90% of the people who post here about free speech are under that umbrella.

And every time I point it out I offer that they may start their own instance with all the hate they want. So far I have seen almost no one do that.

[-] MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

I’ll preface by repeating what you said: we don’t know what the OP is talking about.

But, yeah, very often when somebody is complaining about free speech…they don’t mean free speech. What they mean is that their opinion should be accepted without criticism or consequence.

What this outlook has resulted in, in many places in the contemporary western world (the world I’m familiar with), is that hate speech, aggressive speech and threatening speech are protected - even encouraged - while the speech of those functionally suppressed or intimidated is ignored or attacked.

My opinion is that conservative speech has become a huge problem. It’s ironically social media bubbles that make so-called conservatives believe that their once marginalized opinions are more popular or legitimate than they are. I believe that conservatives want everybody to be forced to listen to their opinions until they agree with them or face consequences if they don’t.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 points 2 weeks ago

The tolerance paradox. If we let intolerant thoughts through, they quickly become domineering and push for exactly what we see. So, the only thing to be intolerant of is intolerance itself.

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