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Trump ‘threatens to stop’ weapons for Ukraine unless Europe joins Hormuz coalition (aje.news)

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The US president has “threatened to stop” supplying ⁠weapons for Ukraine to pressure European allies to join a “coalition of ‌the willing” to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, the Financial Times reports, ⁠quoting people briefed ⁠on the discussions.

According to the report, ⁠Trump threatened ⁠to stop ⁠supplies to NATO’s weapons procurement initiative for ‌Ukraine, which is funded by European countries.

On Tuesday, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio told Al Jazeera it was “very disappointing” that NATO allies such as Spain blocked the use of their airspace and bases for the US-Israel war on Iran. He warned that Washington will re-examine the value of NATO after the war is over.

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[-] Xatolos@reddthat.com 24 points 3 days ago

So let me see if I understand this whole situation:

Trump and Israel attack a Iran because.... reasons....
Iran fires back and closes the Strait
Trump realizes that he is too weak and goes crying to Nato in hopes of hiding behind them
Nato refuses to help the cowardly Trump
Trump in a sulk cried about how Nato wouldn't clean up his mess
Now Trump in a spoilt temper tantrum is declaring he won't keep other promises unless Nato fights his battles for him because he's too much of a wimp to do it himself.

Do I have this right?

[-] folaht@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No it's

Trump and Netanyahu attack Iran because they are rabid fascists, worse than Hitler
Iran defends itself and closes the Strait
Trump doesn't realize that he is too weak, but he notices that things aren't going his way
His European vassals do realize that their master going mad after his illegal invasion to annex and genocide of Iran, consisting of ~20 times the population of the holocaust killed is a bit of a bad look, not because of the amount of people they try to kill, but because they see the US failing and Iran was their main supplier of oil and gas together with all the Middle Eastern nations that are blocked from exporting their oil and gas, while being at war with the previous other main supplier Russia, and tell themselves that it's not "not their war", so they refuse to help
Trump is mad at his European vassals, who now refuse to fully starve themselves to death for him or jump into molten hot lava to in order to cool a volcano, instead of the usual squirming that they do more often and far deeper for Usonians than the average worm does its entire life.
He now threatens his vassals that he's going to "close the club" hoping his vassals will further squirm for him in panic and beg him to sacrifice their lives at the altar of the Usonian blood cult

[-] tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago

Ohhh so the US IS capable of conditioning aid.

[-] Stowaway@midwest.social 1 points 2 days ago

Whoa, let's not jump to conclusions here. Like everything trump says, don't believe it until theres actual evidence to prove its true, and it was peer reviewed by 10 non-republicans that have never bent the knee.

[-] BananaLama@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago

But I thought European countries were too weak to be useful in a fight?

And also if European countries weren't willing to deploy troops to the Ukrainian theater why would they to this one

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 63 points 4 days ago

Just imagine what he will do as soon as he thinks that this lever will work!

[+] plyth@feddit.org -10 points 4 days ago

Why should this lever not work?

[-] zealouscurmedgeon@lemmy.ml 30 points 4 days ago

Nobody is sending their soldiers to die for his impulsive, poorly thought out war. especially after he has spent years antagonizing allies.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 10 points 4 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

Wouldn't the billionaires tell the Republicans to start an impeachment if the war was just Trump's idea? It's like the ballroom. Turns out, it wasn't Trump's idea to tear down the East Wing.

[-] zealouscurmedgeon@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah it was pitched to him. We know Lindsey coached Israel on how to sell the war to Trump. But he did ultimately agree to it and he's the commander-in-chief so its ultimately his responsibility. No other president agreed to this stupidity.

CEOs continue to brown nose him despite his tariffs being bad for business as he at the least will rubber stamp their mergers and other anti-consumer policies.

[-] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago

It's Trump's responsibility but others could intervene. Soldiers don't have to execute illegal orders and Congress doesn't have to finance the war and the media can become much more critical and can call for a general strike.

The elite agrees with Trump.

[-] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The Euros will not allow their their remaining surface fleet to be sunk in a suicide mission in Hormuz, no matter how much they glaze Ukraine

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

Nov, but they might decide to do a suicide mission in the ukraine in a desperate attempt to stop any blowback from nazi terrorcells deciding they lost the war bc of germany and wanting to retaliate.

[-] Transform2942@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The year is ~~1945~~ 2027 and it's a mad dash to the Nazi capitol to prevent those dirty Russians from being the sole captors and thus being free to ask some very uncomfortable questions.

Also how can the western powers possibly run NATO and develop aerospace technology without pardoned nazis-in-exile?

[-] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 44 points 4 days ago

Wait a minute...

Driving the news: A reporter asked Trump in the Oval Office earlier Tuesday how he planned to bring oil prices down

"All I have to do is leave Iran, and we'll be doing that very soon," Trump said, predicting prices would come "tumbling down."

Why would trump care about a coalition to reopen the strait, if oil prices are going to come "tumbling down" regardless? What an idiot.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 28 points 4 days ago

Imagine if Iran just kept the strait closed lmao

[-] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's what they're doing. It's not actually closed the iraniana just demand a bribe to be let through. Their peace offer is for everyone to accept a toll to go through. China russia and india dont care they just buy the cheap iranian oil with a bribe and it's still cheaper than what us and Europe are paying for gas from SA

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 23 points 4 days ago

It's a two-tier system. Friendly countries - China, Russia, Malaysia and Bangladesh - don't even need to pay the toll. 'Neutral' countries like India, Indonesia, etc. can transport oil after paying the toll. US and its allies don't get oil, toll or no toll.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Also there's the alternative way which Iran offered: kick out the American and Israeli embassadors.

Iran is playing 5D chess whilst Trump's America is playing Tic-tac-toe.

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 days ago

Seems fair to me.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago

US and its allies don’t get oil, toll or no toll.

the allies also don't need to pay a toll if they kick out the us bases from their countries.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

Yes, but then the US army will pay you a visit instead of Iran, and unless you've been spending the last decade building tunnels and drones it probably won't work out as well for you.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago

definately true for the global south, but i wonder if it's the same for the uk or france or germany

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

No because they're laready there

[-] beansoup@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago

Hopefully us military will be decimated after Iran is done with them.

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 days ago

a bribe

Hahahahahahahahaahaahahahahahahh its a toll, and guess why the price jumped lmao

look at how much you have to "bribe" the europeans to pass through their country

https://www.tolls.eu/toll-calculator

[-] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works -4 points 4 days ago

Well it's not through iran, it's through international waters, hence why they didn't charge a toll before and now it can be called a bribe

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 days ago

It's shared territorial waters, which is not the same as international waters. Learn what a word means before lecturing others on it.

[-] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works -4 points 3 days ago

Okay sorry reading a comment is like a lecture for you

[-] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

huh??? Are you saying Iran doesn't have control over it's half of the strait of hormuz?? Are you perhaps confused with territorial waters??

[-] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 days ago

Coalition of the threatened.

[-] duncan_bayne@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Trump reeks of flop sweat at present. The desperation is notable even from my vantage point in Australia.

[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Watch, their response is gonna be "Don't let the front door hit you where the Good Lord split you."

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago

i'd expect some "ok daddy" as always, but i can hope eu leaders are not dumb enough to take part in the iran clusterfuck trump made for himself.

[-] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

As an American, I hope they stonewall him. Let him and Bibi humiliate themselves.

[-] sirscooter@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago

You do realize that Ukraine has more cutting edge tech at the new way of war that the US. The EU is getting more weapons from Ukraine and they are building factories in the EU

[-] Napster153@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

It's not just that.

Everyone and their mother knows that Iran had close networks with Russia and China. The fact that NO ONE in the West seemed to have learned anything or at least took inspiration from the Ukraine-Russian Conflict is testament to the stagnancy in the West.