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[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 111 points 2 months ago

I have a coworker who is vehemently anti-immigrant. One of the reasons she gives for this stance is that they come to this country unvaccinated and spread disease. Guess who is also anti-vax?

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 47 points 2 months ago

THE DUALITY OF MAN, or something

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago


[-] Dr_Fetus_Jackson@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

It’s a hardball world, son. We’ve gotta keep our heads until this peace craze blows over.

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[-] SlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.de 104 points 2 months ago

Brexit was the best experiment for that. They kick immigrants out so all jobs went to the local population. People didn't want them, produce was left in the fields, deliveries were not made, tables were not waited on and some companies folded. Anyway, immigration is now back and higher than it used to be, but from other countries.

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Don't forget brain drain!

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[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 53 points 2 months ago

This one also surprises a lot of people: They pay taxes. Undocumented Immigrants in the USA paid about 11.6Bn USD in taxes in 2019 according to ITEP.

[-] theUnlikely@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago

How are they paying though? That requires some kind of identification.

[-] lanolinoil@lemmy.world 54 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Their employers pay taxes on their wages through their fake ss numbers. They pay sales tax when they buy things from the store

[-] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)


An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. The IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain, a Social Security number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

Perhaps not income taxes, but maybe taxes on goods and services, property taxes, etc? Can't say for certain though.

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[-] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 2 months ago

Illegal immigrants actually pay into state and local taxes way more than legal citizens and green-card holders do.

And since they're here undocumented, they can't get anything in return for paying those taxes.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 47 points 2 months ago

I have SSI it pays peanuts, if I didn't have a job ontop of it, I'd have nothing.

The rules are overly strict and an absolute poverty trap. I cannot legally have 2000 dollars to my name and anything I earn through ANY means must be reported meaning I CAN'T have a side hustle.

I need to stay on the program because my health insurance is tied to it, if I ever lost it I would be physically and mentally near death within a month.

I'm one of the people they're talking about when they mention Welfare Queens

[-] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 10 points 2 months ago

Definitely need Medicare for All. This is such BS.

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[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Right-wing ideology doesn't have to be consistent - it merely has to shift the blame for society's ills away from those who caused them.

[-] diskmaster23@lemmy.one 15 points 2 months ago
[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

The short answer is - yes.

The long answer is - also yes.

[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

The long answer is yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

[-] peg@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

The anti-immigrant goons don't get the Schrödinger reference.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 14 points 2 months ago
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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 28 points 2 months ago

They shouldn't come here (but they're necessary to run my Florida landscaping business)!

[-] HooPhuckenKarez@kbin.social 22 points 2 months ago

Mass shootings in the news came up a couple o' days ago at work. It quickly devolved into it's all n-words shooting eachother, because that's what n-words do.

Did you know trump is gonna eliminate the income tax once he's elected?

I hate being in a red corner of a blue state.

[-] Waldowal@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

People at your work just drop n-bombs in casual conversation? I'm in Georgia, and even the most inbred rednecks here aren't bold enough to do that at work.

[-] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 months ago

And yet the mass shooting record holder is a white guy who was shooting at a country music festival ffs...

"Damn whites always shooting each other, because that's what white people do"

[-] syd@lemy.lol 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I’m from a country that people wants to immigrate away. Even I do sometimes.

But at the same time I am disturbed by some actions of the minority of the immigrants who come to my country. I am leaning to be an anti-immigrant and because of that I feel hypocritical and xenophobic.

Sometimes I think it is cruel to be against immigrants because people do not choose their place of birth and their family, just like me.

I'm just not sure what is right, and this loop bothers me.

[-] STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world 41 points 2 months ago

There's good and bad in every group and race. Just out of curiosity what country are you from. In some countries the news media and people in general will just latch onto anything bad done by migrants. Like in my country, Ireland, there's been much ado about a couple of cases where immigrants have committed heinous crimes but there's been very little coverage of the groups that are going around Dublin basically terrorising immigrants.

[-] syd@lemy.lol 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I guess you are right. I am from Turkiye and our leader, Erdogan is a pro-immigration. It bothers me to agree with him on something :)

Normally I believe in human rights but he accepts undocumented refugees from ME in order to bring the Sharia. So his purpose is not to save those people but change average society habits. I think we are different from European countries in this regard. I think Europe accepts immigrants in a more refined way.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

As such lovers of free market capitalism, shouldn't Republicans want immigrants to come here and compete for work so that corporations can get employees for the lowest wages possible?

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 months ago

Which is ironically the classic leftist argument against free migration until the one world economy is realized. Constant immigration of low skilled labor serves the capitalist class by suppressing wages and stirring up resentment amongst the rabble so they turn on each other instead of their oppressor.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

shouldn’t Republicans want immigrants to come here and compete for work

Yes, they do - which is why they do everything in their power to keep that disempowered labor disempowered by hysterically painting them as an "other" that must be repressed through every means available.

It's just how right-wing ideology has always worked.

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[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Terking all er jerbs!*


[-] CaptainEffort@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Derk a derrr!!!

[-] LazyBane@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

This kind of reasoning is consistent across all forms of bigotry. Having self contradictory believes about a demographic just so nothing they can do will be the right thing for them to do.

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's especially ironic to hear that from Americans lol my house is older than your country, what "immigrants" you are talking about

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

They move so slowly and lazily that they are invisible to the average human.

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