This basically proves the idf is just firing at unarmed civilians. It’s not like the hostages would have been armed, from what it sounds like they just saw three “military aged males” running towards them with there arms up and opened fire
Good analysis. This is likely what happened.
Just wait until someone on the internet /seriously/ argues that it was like the end of The Dark Knight were the Joker tied guns in the hands of the hostages and dressed them as terrorists...
I mean I can realistically see IDF troops not outright /intending/ to kill the hostages in a hostage rescue mission and mistaking them for the hostage takers due to poor training, bad decisions or you know just generally being amped up on genocidal bloodlust...
... but that still means that more or less yeah, theyre unprofessional, and apparently used to shooting people that look like hostages, and that their Hostage Rescue Teams are uh... pretty fucking bad at their jobs.
You would think they'd been you know like properly briefed with the names and physical descriptions of the hostages, and that you'd only send in a guns blazing team if they were absolutely certain that that plan would work, ie, theyd know the names and descriptions ... and positions, and roles of the hostage takers, so as to incapacitate all the threats in a flash, as close to simultaneous as possible.
Any way you cut it, this is a massive, royal fuck up, and it only gets worse the more I think about it.
One of the first hostages to be recovered said that the IDF shot tank rounds into the building that they were all being held in.
... What?
I ... ok.
I had not heard that.
Well ok then, so ... they ... do not have or are not using Hostage Rescue Teams, and are just sending the standard IDF forces, not specialized units?
I do not even know what to say beyond 'That is completely insane.'
She was the only hostage to actually make it out of the exchange, I believe there was something like less than 10 others who were being held with her but she said in an interview that the rest were killed by the IDF. I'd assume that they haven't made the hostages a major priority because any of them that have been recovered have told the media that they were treated well considering the conditions. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231021-israel-settler-israel-forces-killed-hostages-not-hamas/
Wow again that is just fucking insane on so many levels.
In Iraq and Afghanistan, while obviously many fuck ups and a decent number of 'kill em all!' insane shit was directly perpetrated by US and Coalition forces...
They had fucking rules of engagement they had to follow, and the military actually prosecuted a good amount of violations of this.
An IDF tank firing a fucking tank round into a building, in an urban area full of civilians, where they knew the hostages were, and could have potentially killed many more non combatants if the building collapsed?
I am basically at a loss for words.
The most intense and intensely criticized fighting of the Iraq War 2 may be argued to have been Fallujah. While I think dropping leaflets everywhere telling civillians 'leave or we will probably kill you in a week' is uh, fucking bad,... at least the US Mil, like, you know, gave warning? And people were not literally penned in on all sides and actually /could/ leave?
They, the IDF, truly do not give a fuck. Even a hostage rescue mission apparently opens with what is likely a war crime, firing a tank shell into the building, in that context.
Someone pull up Edwin Star and email me a flask of bourbon, jesus fucking christ.
Also, Hamas was offering prisoner exchanges from day 1. Like that was the whole point of Oct 7. When they released Yochefed Lifschidtz because they didn't have the means to give her medical care, the IOF refused to take her back multiple times- and her saying she was treated basically well was why, during the later prisoner exchanges, they didn't allow most of them to speak to press.
The hostages are an extremely obvious pretext and the families of the hostages are reportedly furious about it
Those circumstances and rhetoric by Israeli cabinet members from the last two months make label of genocide a very credible and astute assertion.
Up until this point I had only had seen a few clips of Sam Seder basically summarizing the big picture... it is truly astounding when learning the details.
"Turkey shoot!"
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I wonder how you say "turkey shoot!" in Hebrew.
Critical support to Comrade IDF's ongoing war against Israeli settlers. This is their greatest achievement since shooting their civilians with helicopters.
They said they viewed the hostages as a threat during combat, maybe hostages are so disillusioned with Israel they are joining the militants in Gaza? One can hope.
Imagine if the IDF turned on Israel 🤔 would they be able to liberate the Palestinian people?
I have faith that they will in the end.
The IDF funded Hamas which today is the only force militantly liberating the Palestinian people
The IDF did the most significant attack against Israelis in its history, both using its Hamas paramilitary forces and helicopters to make a firm statement against the illegal settlements.
Let 'em cook hostages.
The IOF doesn’t admit to murder, they “identified three Israeli hostages as a threat” and “as a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed”.
After the bullets leave the gun, the shooter is no longer responsible for where they go or who they enter, like with cops.
After the bullets leave the gun, the shooter is no longer responsible for where they go or who they enter, like with cops.
You joke but the IDF train our cops
The other Israeli hostages they killed were very intentional.
So that's at least 30 to 60
I wonder how many hostages they've deliberately murdered thinking they were Palestinian.
There was an incident where a (West Bank?) IDF settler shot who he thought was a Palestinian civilian (the guy was unarmed, dressed as a civilian, had no weapon and had his hands up); there was a video of the incident, and people were cheering him killing 'Hamas' (seriously, even in the video the guy had no weapons and had his hands up), but then it came out that the guy who got killed was himself in the IDF, and all these people deleted their tweets and went silent.
this the guy who they shot his face off while he was trying to tell them he was jewish and let him bleed out?
I think I found the IDF guy who got shot, his name is Yuval Castleman; apparently he might have had a firearm but threw it down and raised his hands up, and then got shot. He had enough time to yell that he was Israeli and threw down his wallet too. I'm not sure how he died.
Hilariously his family are being centrist libs about it; they're saying they're angry but they don't know what they would've done in that situation themselves.
Hilariously his family are being centrist libs about it;
Can you fucking imagine: a close relative gets fucking shot by his own guys in the military, and you go ahead and bust out the "BUT ITS COMPLICATED" narrative. He got shot. By his own guys....
What the fuck goes on in the brains of these people? Is it just the bloodthirst?
As a result, the troops fired toward them and they were killed
So they shot them. This verbiage is maddening.
stuff happened. who's to say who did the stuff? sometimes stuff just occurs in the general vicinity of other things.
They tragically expired moments after Israel's supply of ammunition was reduced.
"Accidentally"
The IDF may legitimately be the most incompetent armed force on the entire planet.
i have to imagine the real number is 100 times higher if thats what they are admitting
Why would Hamas do this...
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