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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 75 points 11 months ago

It's almost like it was never about helping Ukrainians

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago

I, for one, am shocked!

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago
[-] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ooo we need a Jack Horner emoji. Who do I @ for that?

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

We already have at least one on hextube, a mod just needs to copy and paste it into the emoji list here I think

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 45 points 11 months ago

It's not like they haven't had every second of hte entire cold war to watch what happens to America's proxy forces from the inside.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 43 points 11 months ago

America worshippers aren't the brightest bunch. I'm sure there were Ukrainians that could see what was happening and I feel a great amount of empathy for them. The ones posting in English on Twitter about how the orcs will be wiped out? Not an ounce of it.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

Especially the ones who told me I was dumb for saying republicans were gonna fuck them over and they scolded me for "lying about my fellow americans and being delusional"

Fucking told you so, again

[-] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 43 points 11 months ago

dont-laugh they actually thought to spend the money on defense instead of running away with all of it

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

I'm sure Zelensky has actually run away with at least some of it.

[-] edge@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago
[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago
[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago

Damn, it's almost like the US treated this war as a closeout sale of its old military hardware.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago
[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago

Words said by one of the deadest guys there's ever been.

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago
[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago

Lmao what a fucking baby brain you would have to have to write that tweet

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

One step closer to a NATO country getting 9/11'd by Azov.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Is it wrong of me to hope germany-cool is their first target?

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

It'll probably be Poland or Hungary IMO. Been seeing a lot of chatter about the "backstabbing Poles" on pro Ukr Twitter.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

I wonder how much more fascist Hungary is going to get if a Ukrainian refugee does a terrorist attack against them.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

that might not make it that much more fascist, since it'd confirm that orban has been right about ukraine. it'd strengthen the regime, so why up the pressure?

then again, he could do it just for fun...

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

Has Orban been warning about the refugees from Ukraine? I thought he mostly just wanted the war to end so that the EU would get off his ass about his "support" for Putin, and because he recognized that Ukraine is absolutely not winning that war, so why prolong the inevitable. But Orban's way of thinking is quite hard for me to understand, since everything Danish media writes about him is "big bad Putin fanboy wants to strangle kittens, just like Putin"

[-] huf@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

i live here and i no longer really understand what his plan is, apart from the basics: build up a national burgeois/oligarch class which he can control, to protect his racket from international oligarchs (so putin's plan), and try to "fish in muddy waters", somehow navigating between EU/NATO, russia and china, thereby hoping to have some freedom of movement.

also do as much fascism as necessary while fighting on two political fronts, against the eu-lib types AND the frothing fascist types. but this too is like putin.

now i really dont know how he plans to actually continue this indefinitely, because unlike russia, hungary has absolutely nothing.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Didn't Hungary used to have a massive manufacturing base that could conceivably be recreated, if the conditions were right? Or is Orban (much like Putin) too much of a liberal to ever do industrial policy like a 20th century leader, instead of whatever neoliberal bullshit that most countries do today.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

we still have some manufacturing i think, assembling autoparts for germany, assembling batteries for some chinese company, that sort of thing.

maybe we're somewhat coming out of the massive slump that came when the soviet market collapsed, but i dont think the profits get invested locally...

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 11 months ago

I feel like I always need to say it, but a Ukrainian plane dotted in swastikas will fly into the palace of culture and sciences.

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

"I really though the country that skipped town on Afghanistan in the dead of night was in it for the long haul with me..."

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

10 words too many in that tweet

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago

but.... we are white......

[-] tree@lemmy.zip 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

tbf who the fuck else were they gonna turn to, not a whole lot of other rich parties alligned against Russia willing to throw down cash, the real thing he should be saying is this is why you should never give up your nukes. No matter what they promise you, do not under any circumstances give away your nuclear weapons. Unless you're Isreal then you should definitely give up your nukes, ignore what I just said.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

also dont shell your own citizens for years when there's a stronger neighbor willing to defend them... but i guess it's a super easy mistake to make.

[-] tree@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's overly reductive and I don't care to have a conversation about it because it will provide nothing of value. If you took everything RT/Sputnik reports at face value then sure that's definitely what happened, the shelling started in a vacuum, they just started doing it for no reason at all other than their hate for Russophones, but I think that's a whole lot of cope. I don't support any of the millitary actions Russia or Ukraine has taken including the shelling, but I'm also not naive about what was going on leading up to it. Ideally the USSR would have stayed together to avoid all this mess which I think we both agree on.

[-] Teapot@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

They can align with Russia, the country they share a border and language with.

[-] tree@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm talking about after they are invaded clearly and I think boiling it down to language is a bit reductive, I think the USSR shouldn't have been illegally dissolved, but I also think that that doesn't give Russia permission to bully it's former soviet neighbors bc of "spheres of influence" because it ended up being the biggest soviet republic post split I'm not John Mearshimer, I don't think "Russia should have "spheres of influence" because America does" there shouldn't be any. I do think if Ukraine kept it's nukes that Russia would not have invaded recently or in 2014, I'm sure there would have been tension, but I don't think there would have been any major millitary action if they were both nuclear states.

[-] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

I'm sorry but who didn't see this coming the second Russia didn't get steamrolled

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Literally the first president advised future leaders to abandon allies whenever they stop serving American interests. Voteball fans should’ve learned this rule before they started playing

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

took him long enough to learn that lesson

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