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[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 54 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Life will have its up and downs... Unless you're using our autopilot, then it's just pretty much down."

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The thing is MCAS fucking used to overpower manual commands, unless you actually followed some specific procedure to disable it

Edit: And boeing didn’t think it was necessary to tell the pilots about this

[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yeah, it would have been a completely horrifying and infuriating way to die, especially for the pilots who probably had a pretty good idea of what was happening but just never got told how to deal with it

Also, it just blows me away that the corporation as a whole got charged with felony fraud, fraud which caused the deaths of hundreds of people, and they still just get to be a company after saying sorry and paying a little fine. When Fuckup Beauregard III decides to rob his local gas station with an unloaded gun and the clerk dies of a heart attack (or when his accomplice Cletus gets shot and killed by a responding police officer), the felony murder rule will kick in for him and say "someone dying as a result of your felonious behavior is legally equivalent to you intentionally murdering them," but that sort of thing just doesn't ever happen to rich and powerful people.

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They also only used data from a SINGLE sensor for a safety critical system, which is a cardinal sin in aviation. The plane already has two angle of attack sensors, you couldn't write a few more lines of code to have it use both of them? Not only did they not do that, they even went so far as to make the alarm that warns when the sensors are mismatched a paid option. They wanted airlines to fucking pay extra for the privilege of knowing when something on their plane isn't working properly.

[-] vox@sopuli.xyz 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

wait but if there are two sensors installed even without that "safety" option isn't it purely software "limitation" then? Are they "selling" it like heated seats on cars? (drm)

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

IIRC it was an "optional safety enhancement" that airlines could buy and their logic for not including it by default was "well we display the outputs of the two sensors independently don't we? Why aren't your pilots paying attention and crosschecking the sensor readouts on our 21st century glass cockpit airplane like this was a B-52 with needle gauges then?"

What we do know is that they argued that the errant MCAS activation from a faulty sensor was "designed to" look like a stabilizer trim runaway (when the "rear wings" you see on the tail of the airplane start moving without pilot command) and therefore claimed that a "properly trained" pilot should have been able to deal with that since they're supposed to be trained for a trim runaway.

This is a garbage argument of course, because a trim runaway is in itself an emergency that threatens the safety of the aircraft, especially if it happens at low altitude, so why the hell should your supposed "safety" system be putting the pilots in that position to begin with? And if this wasn't a big deal, why go out of your way to hide the fact that a new system on the aircraft can effectively cause a trim runaway? Not to mention that Boeing is essentially victim blaming the pilots that died from their profit oriented decisions by insinuating that they were poorly trained in order to take the heat off their shoddy design, going as far as to say that the pilot training in those countries were not up to "American standards," basically "those shithole countries don't know how to fly our glorious American planes so it's their own fault!"

Finally, it needs to be mentioned that when Boeing had its own test pilots use a flight simulator to demonstrate what a "properly trained" pilot should be doing when MCAS misbehaves, the pilots used unconventional maneuvers that are not apart of the standard operating procedures of the 737 (i.e. not apart of pilot training). What's more, their own pilots lost more altitude in recovering from the failure than the pilots of the accident planes even had, so wouldn't that mean that by their own admission the accident planes were in an impossible situation, proper pilot training or not?

If they extended the logic they had about MCAS and the angle of attack sensors, the solution to all of aviation safety would be to tell the pilots to "just don't crash the plane." If Boeing had their way and applied the same reasoning to all aircraft systems, they would probably make TCAS, GPWS, RAAS, and the evacuation slides optional features too, since the need for all of those can also be negated by the pilot simply paying more attention to not crashing.

Plainly Difficult has an excellent video about the technical aspects of the 737 MCAS scandal and Boeing's botched response to it, if you're interested!

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

The Boeing Autoland feature is activating.

Please do not resist.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 35 points 8 months ago

This is why Airbus is superior

You know because they actually have real regulations and consequences for not following proper guidelines in the EU

Also because it was made up of former WW2 engineers at the forefront of innovation including Messerschmitt lol. Boeing made big chungus prop bombers, never any jet fighters or even prop fighters. ^/s^

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago
[-] coaxil@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago
[-] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

mmmmm

thicc

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 17 points 8 months ago

Boeing got so caught up in their military contracts for the US war machine that they forgot that some planes aren't supposed to kill people.

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

What's the sound of the doors popping off mid-flight?

"Boeing!"

[-] Apollonius_Cone@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

When is Boeing going to have a Blowout Sale for the Max's?

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

Might as well clear out some DC-10's they have in the back while they're at it.

[-] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

‘A plane that goes up must also come down’

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 6 points 8 months ago

Imagine sitting next to the door and having to go to the bathroom.

[-] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 8 months ago

That wouldn't happened. You would have already peed yourself.

[-] Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

When Boeing closes a door, he opens a window

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Boeing: opening new portals of aviation!

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