I used "Vosotros sois..." in a conversation last weekend (hexbear.net)

submitted 7 months ago by CloutAtlas@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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They laughed. Apparently picking up Spanish from your Spaniard friend has some downsides.

As in South American backpackers find it funny/amusing this drunk Chinese guy in an Australian pub used the Castellano equivalent of "y'all" in a sentence.

angery

They were ultimately nice about it, much better than the time my (English speaking) Canadian coworker tried to speak to some Parisians in school level Québécois and they scoffed and continued in English.

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[-] Cherufe@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

Lol nerd

Vosotros sois po wn jsjajajaja

[-] capitanazo@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

COOOÑÑÑOOO

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Oh, pinche de madre, me no gusto escuchar tu mierda!

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago

kitty-birthday-sad

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

lol got Spanish royalty over here

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

I was told vosotros was more casual and ustedes is formal angery

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

che-smile

[-] jaeme@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

Momento de vuestra merced

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

"ustedes" is the latam y'all

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

'Ustedes' seems standard as hell to my ears...

Vosotros sounds like an old dialect thing

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 7 months ago

Wait what do you say instead of ustedes? There's no replacement for it, unless there's some slang I don't know.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

I'm not a Espanyophone so take my opinion with a grain of salt... ustedes just seems normal, for both standard and slang use...

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Oh I thought you meant "standard" as in "formal", my bad. Yeah I'm not Spanish either so ustedes is what's i'm used to too

[-] Yllych@hexbear.net 11 points 7 months ago

I've heard that Quebecois is basically country bumpkin coded in France especially Paris

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

How about with Montreal, Quebec, it's an Urban Quebecois area?

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

While English became the lingua franca (and I fully get the irony of using the term "lingua franca", lit. Language of the Franks, to describe English as opposed to French), the quirks of being separated by the ocean(s) is fairly minor like, the f slur referring to a cigarette in the UK vs being a... slur in the US, or trousers vs pants.

For some reason, Québécois has stayed way more isolated and thus archaic sounding compared to Metropolitan French. Not just in phrasing (Québécois has a lot of terminology that relates to the church), but also pronunciation. E.g., the the way "r" sounds are made in Québécois is actually closer to what Parisians a couple hundred years would have sounded like, instead of the "w" ish sound Parisians say now.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

Imagine if North America spoke mostly French, instead of English...

[-] Yllych@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago

It is which, just exposes that the continental attitude to other french dialects is based on chauvinism

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Plus, let alone ask a French person where are the Occitan native speakers in his country...

The French Revolution may have done a lot of things right but creating a central, unified state, at the expense of bringing many local languages into near-extinction, is not one of them...

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 7 months ago

I've always wondered how people take that kind of thing. I've not had anyone to practice my Spanish with yet. I can't think the same thing would happen with English. If someone spoke British English to me as a second language, I would just be impressed and let the conversation going without mentioning that we don't quite say this or that in the same way here. Unless they ask; I've had some fun nights with with international friends, speaking about different ways to say things in different places.

The Parisians are parody of the delightful end of Lingua Franca. When they can't turn on their reactors for lack of uranium, they'll wonder where their influence went.

[-] RedDawn@hexbear.net 14 points 7 months ago

A lot of people from Latin America will be used to speaking with people from all over Latin America, which means different vocabulary and accents, even the “vos” person used in countries like Argentina, etc. But nowhere in LatAm is vosotros used, and interactions with actual Spaniards are rare, so it may be a really novel thing. This just from my own experience in Mexico, Ecuador, Paraguay, I have friends and acquaintances from all over south and Central America, people from Chile get given a lot of shit for their Spanish. But in all my interactions I’ve never heard somebody actually using vosotros except for in movies from Spain.

[-] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

I think there’s even differences within Spain such that “vosotros sois” isn’t used by all Spaniards. Ultimately, “ustedes son” also had to come from somewhere in Spain to eventually become dominant in latam

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

The Andulasians did it....

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Well, the way it was explained was "vosotros sois" is casual and "ustedes son" is more respectful. Like addressing your acquaintances or friends vs addressing your bosses.

[-] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago

Voseo is a weird subject and so is the use of vosotros. In Peru where I'm from, 2nd person plural is only ustedes for both formal and informal but 2nd person singular, tu is informal and usted is formal. Other countries and regions have what you're saying plus a 3rd level of further familiarity.

To my ears, saying "vosotros sois" comes off like reading scripture or arcane royal decrees. I immediately thought of Pan's Labyrinth where the faun speaks like that and the human characters mostly do not.

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

Today, the informal second-person plural pronoun vosotros is widely used by Spaniards except in some southwestern regions and in most of the Canary Islands, where its use is rare.

Yeah damn I wish someone told me that 72 hours ago

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago

It's also fairly casual, it's the informal form of ustedes, which LatAm doesn't even have anymore.

So it'd be more like if you ran into someone who not only was using British English, but specifically spoke Cockney and used the phrase "apples and pears" to refer to stairs completely unironically, on the complete other side of the planet.

I can kinda see how that would be funny.

[-] Saeculum@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

If it's an informal form of "you" fallen out of use, wouldn't it be more like someone unironically using "thou" in a sentence?

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

It would be more like if most British people still use thou and insist Americans, Canadians, Australians, etc are wrong for not using thou.

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Haha 😂 I see now.

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 10 points 7 months ago

As in South American backpackers find it funny/amusing this drunk Chinese guy in an Australian pub used the Castellano equivalent of "y'all" in a sentence.

This rocks