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Support for Ukraine among Europeans remains broad, but nearly two years after the full-scale invasion barely 10% now believe it can defeat Russia, according to an EU-wide survey – with some form of “compromise settlement” seen as the most likely end point.

The shift in sentiment – this time last year, more Europeans than not said Ukraine must regain all its lost territory – will demand that politicians take a more “realistic” approach that focuses on defining what an acceptable peace must actually mean, the report’s authors argue.

“In order to make the case for continued European support for Ukraine, EU leaders will need to change how they talk about the war,” said co-author Mark Leonard of the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR), which commissioned the polling.

Most Europeans “are desperate to prevent a Russian victory” but do not believe Kyiv can win militarily, Leonard said, meaning that the most convincing argument for an increasingly sceptical public was that continuing aid “could lead to a sustainable, negotiated peace that favours Kyiv – rather than a victory for Putin”.

The January polling in 12 EU member states – including France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Spain and Sweden – found that Ukraine’s stalled counteroffensive, growing fears of a US policy shift and the prospect of a second US presidential term for Donald Trump were fuelling pessimism about the war’s outcome.

It was carried out before Ukraine’s retreat at the weekend from the eastern town of Avdiivka, which handed Russia its most significant military victory since the capture of Bakhmut by Wagner troops in May 2023. Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022.

The report, Wars and Elections: How European leaders can maintain public support for Ukraine, found that only one in 10 Europeans across the 12 countries surveyed believed Ukraine would win on the battlefield, while twice as many (20%) predicted a Russian victory. Even in the most optimistic member states surveyed – Poland, Sweden and Portugal – fewer than one in five (17%) believed Kyiv could prevail.

In all countries, the polling showed, the most common opinion, shared by an average of 37% of respondents, was that the war would end in a compromise settlement – although some countries were keener on that outcome than others.

In Sweden (50%), Portugal (48%) and Poland (47%), respondents were more likely to say Europe should help Ukraine fight back, while in Hungary (64%), Greece (59%), Italy (52%) and Austria (49%), they preferred pushing Kyiv to accept a settlement. In France, Germany, the Netherlands and Spain, opinions were more evenly divided.

The polling yielded evidence that many Europeans increasingly considered Russia’s war against Ukraine to be of direct concern to them, with 33% saying it had a greater impact on their country – and on Europe (29%) – than the war in the Middle East (compared to 5% who said the opposite on both counts).

The possible return of Trump to the White House was broadly seen as bad news, with 56% of respondents across the 12 countries surveyed saying they would be very or fairly disappointed if the former president was re-elected.

The only exception was Hungary, where 27% of respondents said they would be pleased by Trump’s return and 31% disappointed. Similarly, supporters of only one major political party – Hungary’s Fidesz – were hopeful of a Trump victory.

Among other far-right parties previously expressing support for Trump, only about a third of voters for Germany’s AfD, Austria’s FPÖ or Brothers of Italy said they would welcome his return, with pro-Trump sentiment even weaker among supporters of France’s National Rally and Poland’s Law and Justice.

If the US were to halt military aid to Ukraine under a Trump presidency, 41% of Europeans said that the EU should either increase its support or maintain it at its current level, while 33% would prefer the EU to follow the US lead.

On the second anniversary of Russia’a invasion of Ukraine, the report’s authors said Europeans were not in a “heroic mood”, or even optimistic about the situation. But, they said, Europeans’ commitment to preventing a Russian victory had not moved.

The challenge for western policymakers, they argued, would be to successfully address the dichotomy between falling public confidence about how the war would end, and the desire to maintain support in order to prevent a Russian victory.

“As Europe and the US enter election season, the quest to define peace will be a critical battleground,” the authors wrote. “Leaders will need to find a new language that resonates with current sentiment.”

Ivan Krastev, the report’s other co-author, said the biggest danger was that Trump – and the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, who has hinted that he is open to negotiations on his terms – “try to portray Ukraine and its backers as the ‘forever war’ party, while they claim the mantle of ‘peace,’”

A Russian victory “is not peace”, said Krastev, who is chair of the Sofia-based Centre for Liberal Strategies thinktank. “If the price of ending the war is turning Ukraine into a no man’s land, this will be a defeat not only for Kyiv but for Europe and its security.”

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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 68 points 8 months ago

I don't get it. I just don't get it. I downvoted every RuZZian disinfomat post I saw on reddit. I spent three hours making a cartoon dog that represents what kind of soldier I'd be. I stayed up multiple nights posting slurs just for these cowards to not do their part. We could be winning if they just won.

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 39 points 8 months ago

I traded in my baby speaking frog persona to be a fella with a deformed dog emoji

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 34 points 8 months ago

I've been speaking like a baby since the day the invasion began. Nothing to show for it.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

Have you tried cringey and inapproprate laughy happy tears 😹 😂 and ❤ 💙 💜 💖 💗 emojis?

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

Every time I see a video of a Russian teenager being dismembered by flying robots piloted by Nazis.

[-] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago

I'm getting my third black sun tatoo as we speak, can't believe NAFO means so little to them.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago

Today I didn't even eat lunch because I was so busy explaining to tankies that there's no proof the Reich-SS unit is somehow "Nazi". They're literally just honouring their grandpas. Tankies are anti-grandpa.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 45 points 8 months ago

Because Europe is so democratic, surely this will result in a stronger effort to make a lasting ceasefire anakin-padme-2

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

“If the price of ending the war is turning Ukraine into a no man’s land, this will be a defeat not only for Kyiv but for Europe and its security.”

HOW THE FUCK DID YOU THINK THIS WAS GONNA END. Look at Korea. Look at Vietnam. I am going to google this man, and if he was alive earlier than 1985 im gonna start typing in all caps again

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 42 points 8 months ago

Ivan Krastev, born 1965

MOTHERFUCKER DID YOU LEARN NOTHING

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

No he was too busy eating glue

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

Guy who watched the Vietnam War unfold and concluded, "I could fix it"

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Look at Korea. Look at Vietnam.

In North Korea, they dropped the plague from the skies and poisoned water. In Vietnam, they destroyed swathes of forests and altered the DNA of generations with agent Orange. In Ukraine, they use depleted uranium on Ukrainian land. It’s not the same, buddy. They’re different forms of biological and chemical warfare! Tankies don’t know shit!

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 34 points 8 months ago

Damn that turnaround happened fast

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

Bestest ally clearly blows up major energy lifeline to the entire continent and sanctions over half the resources going in. Energy prices and inflation hits hard harder and haderer as the same ally offers you subpar energy at mafia gouging rates. this-is-fine

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

Ghost of Kyiv is on cooldown and they're all out of mana

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago

The centrist brainworms in those last two paragraph are amazing.

Liberal Strategies indeed.

[-] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

Portugal being so high is so fucking stupid, literally nothing to do with us and we got problems of our own. I think the media blitz was especially effective here because there was for a time a "daily war update" by a ukraine propagandist on one of the major tv stations.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago

Every single one of them is on reddit

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

If Ukraine regains the territory, they will just resume terrorizing and bombing the shit out of their own again.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

Batman voice the night is always darkest just before the dawn

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

That ten percent lives on Reddit and Lemmy

[-] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

Every other sentence in the article is copium to take the edge off the obvious conclusion that the euros have had enough and don't give a shit anymore. They're both "desperate to prevent a Russian victory" but "skeptical about their chances to win, and the use of war aid", they're "not in a heroic mood, or even optimistic" but their "commitment to preventing a Russian victory had not moved".

Which is like saying that if a meteor was heading for Moscow, they wouldn't try to divert it, but outside of that, they're not prepared to do anything about it.

[-] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

the ledditeur narrative right now is a stab in the back myth ft. the republicans lol

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