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[NSFW/Trigger warning] Gunmen in combat fatigues open fire at Moscow concert hall (www.france24.com)

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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 65 points 2 years ago

This might be the most interesting point in the war since the Wagner mutiny. With the Belgorod attacks Ukraine has been really pushing Russia's red line of no territorial attacks for symbolic victories. Freedom of Russia Legion Nazis take a photo of themselves holding a flag in some border village, lose all of their vehicles, and die in a ditch for nothing except propaganda value and the hope of drawing NATO further into the war. If this mass shooting results in any connection to Ukraine, I think Kiev and civilian infrastructure is going to come under much heavier assault in response.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago

this mass shooting results in any connection to Ukraine

It very much likely is, how many mass shootings occur in Russia ever? This is the result of the West funding neo-nazis.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 54 points 2 years ago

We get some, occasionally. Had several school shootings and stabbings. But I doubt this one is one of those

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

Not all the same or in the quantity America has the shootings like this one, or the others you descirbed for that matter.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago

Russia has had some pretty notable school and barracks shootings and there are other separatist factions with varying levels of connection to the west. It's that degree of separation which makes the response ambiguous. Russia has done things more or less tit-for-tat and if they have a disproportionate response then it will have disproportionate consequences for them. I'm just curious to see which group is held responsible and how closely they're tied to the west because this is going to fuck up someone's day.

[-] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

Could be a Central Asian separatist group although those have definitely been less of a thing for the past few decades

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

It was ISIS.

So yes the West.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

Lol where can I read about this latest nazi outfit getting owned

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/search?q=Freedom+of+Russia+Legion&restrict_sr=on&include_over_18=on&sort=relevance&t=all

The main subreddit that covers their quixotic adventures. They're Russian citizens under a far-right leader. Before the Russian election they released this masterfully cringey video: https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bctpmp/ua_pov_the_legion_is_going_to_the_elections_wait/

After that, they've made a few cross-border assaults on villages to take a photo of themselves holding a flag.

(CW: death) https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bdtkm9/ru_pov_ukrainian_saboteurs_attacking_a_border/

In the big assault, they tried to cross the border checkpoint into Russia. Their tank immediately hit a mine trying to drive straight through it. The infantry then came under artillery fire, retreated to a ditch, and I can't remember whether it was artillery/lancets/drone grenades which were then used to pick them off.

Since then they've done more raids where they hole up in some village and the Russians shell it. Occasionally they take a prisoner before going back to Ukraine.

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[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 years ago

"Interesting" is quite a choice of words

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

I mean it's all horrifying on moral and human levels. There's just also that world historical cool zone level where you're seeing decades happen in weeks. If you're watching a war like this develop as a meaningful geopolitical event, you have to either abstract it into competing systems or be broken by focusing on the personal/moral tragedy of every death. Emergency medicine is also interesting to me because if I only think about it in human terms it's nothing but hopeless trauma and gazing into the abyss.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago

If you’re watching a war like this develop as a meaningful geopolitical event

Except I'm not watching it like a geopolitical event. I am watching it as a conscription eligible Russian citizen in a city with a whole lot of targetable infrastructure (including my own workplace), and that has already been attacked prior.

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

How are you holding up comrade?

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 2 years ago

Poorly. Distracting myself with reading Marx (letter to Vera Zasulich).

[-] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

God bless you mate. May you live to see better days.

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think Kiev and civilian infrastructure is going to come under much heavier assault in response.

“Do not do what your opponent wants you to do” - idk Sun Tzu probably.

Assuming the west/Ukraine are behind this attack… why? Obviously no military value. It’s not going to demoralize the Russian people. The only reasonable conclusion I can come to is they want Russia to respond with a heavy hand and hit Ukrainian civilians and infrastructure hard in response as payback.

If that’s the case, I think the Biden admin and NATO country leaders are frustrated with the public’s and political opposition to further supporting the war - whether it’s more money or sending NATO troops. Russia continues their slow advance - just slow enough to not trigger alarm. Get the Russians to hit back hard and that could make it a lot easier for NATO to build support for escalation.

I’m sure it’s not what Russia wants to do, but I think the best strategy is to stick to the plan because I think this attack was done to get them to come off that plan.

[-] Aquilae@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Didn't the US just tell Ukraine to stop attacking Russian energy infrastructure in fear of retaliation?

This will not end well...

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 40 points 2 years ago

big-cool

Awesome, amazing, definitely going to lead to good things

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

Southfront points to a false flag psyop by the west to hide behind Muslim terrorists.

The large terrorist attack in the Crocus City Hall in Moscow was accompanied by large media campaign. Likely Ukrainian/NATO PSYOP forces shared numerous fake reports aimed to hide the culprits.

The main goal of the ongoing informational operation is to assure the Russians that the attackers were muslims. For example, the photos of several natives of Ingushetia who are allegedly being searched by the Russian special services. It turned out that the photos showed terrorists liquidated in recent Russian anti-terrorist operations in early March. ..

The main voice of American propaganda, CNN reported that ‘since November, there has been “fairly specific” information that ISIS in Afghanistan wanted to carry out terrorist attacks in Russia. US intelligence warned Russia about this’.

Meanwhile, Ukrainians began phone terror. They are using fake numbers to call the 112 hotline number in order to sow panic. Mass fake calls claim alleged shootings and armed attacks in different public places, including shopping centers, schools etc.

The culprits of the terrorist attack are yet to be identified; but the ongoing coordinated informational operation indicates that someone is trying to hide behind the ‘Muslims’.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Russians with attitude has video of one of the bastards they caught hiding up a tree.

The Russian Ministry of the Interior confirms that none of the terrorists arrested for the Crocus City Hall attack are Russian citizens.

All four perpetrators were found and detained. They tried to escape towards ukkkraine where, according to preliminary data, a window was created for them to cross the border. A total of 11 people were detained.

[-] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago

Wasn't there some joke around here last year regarding Ukrainian terrorist attacks like "I regret to announce that the events of April 14th, 2024 have become inevitable in this timeline" that's some fuckin nostradamus shit if it turns out to be Azov nazis doing this.

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately I think we're going to see a lot more of this sort of thing, not just in Russia but all over the world, as America continues to decline. The post-Cold War economic, political, and military dominance of the US is starting to crumble and the US response, as always, is to try and start more wars. But that instinct butts up against the fact that they simply are not capable of fighting even the wars they're currently conducting. Add in the fact that the US has only gotten bolder in it's outright denial of international law, as opposed it's previous side-stepping, and I suspect we're going to see a wholesale return to the kinds of terrorism and barbarism used in the 70s and 80s - a sort of global years of lead.

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[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

You can scoff but ISIS-K absolutely operates in line and accordance with US interests.

As a splinter group of Al-Qaeda connected groups they went into Syria, where there were plenty of reports of them operating in and moving through US-controlled areas and even operating in what appeared to be pincer movements with US forces. They came back from Syria with more money, weapons, and intelligence and started attacking a laundry list of US enemies:

Non-US-friendly pre-coup elements in Pakistan
The Taliban goverment and Chinese business and diplomatic delegations to try and disrupt trade deals, including a hotel bombing
Iran, including the bombings of the Soleimani rememberance events as the US targeted Iran for support of Palestine and the Houthi blockade
And now Russia, just as the US grapples with Ukraine being a lost war and their previous attempts at destablising Russia (economic warfare, sanctions, Nordstream, possibly Prigozhin etc) have failed.

Then you add in the fact that there's the overlap and collaborations between ISIS-K and TIP/ETIM trying to destablise China with terror and radicalisation, in the name of China's supposed Uyghur 'genocide'. With ETIM being removed from the terror list by the US supposedly because it 'no longer exists', which has been said to either be because those members have been absorbed by TIP/ISIS-K or because ETIM isn't conducting operations but now acts a convienient way for the US to more easily funnel money to TIP/ISIS-K.

It's also notable that in all of ISIS-K's operations, including in and around US-Israeli controlled Syria, it's never attacked Israel.

So you have an Al-Qaeda splinter group that served US interests Syria and got hands-off treatment by the US, that suddenly massively grew in scale, money, and ability, that only attacks US enemies and acts almost exclusively in line with American interests. Combined with the US's long, long, long history of funding extremist groups to carry out terror campaigns and proxy wars on their behalf.

So what's more likely? That this group might serve US interests and that America is doing the exact thing it's done consistantly since at least the 1950s? Or that your incredulous assertion that America could and would not ever do such a thing?

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

clueless

[-] DyingOfDeBordom@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

lol you're a moron

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Malaysian PM slams West for hypocracy on Israel in front of German chancellor's presense

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