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lol Trump the "anti-imperialist."

"At LeAsT hE's FrEiNdS wItH pUtIn"

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 72 points 5 months ago

Anyone who thinks Trump is somehow anti war or anti imperialist is clueless. He's incompetent and sometimes accidentally hurts imperial interests as a result but he definitely loves imperialism

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago

He loves it, but there’s no way he knows the meaning of the word. Just like liberals, tbh.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago

Even if he was anti-imperialist, he's not going to successfully challenge the State Department on anything of importance. Sure, he'll have a totally symbolic meeting with the DPRK, but when he orders troops out of Syria? They just lie to him and say it's done, and because he doesn't care and isn't competent that's the end of it.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

Honestly I envy the people who think he's anti-war or anti-imperoalist. Every claim in that direction has such a make statements or promises without checking with your staff energy, and I really want to be the person whose professional life is so good they can't recognize that.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 66 points 5 months ago

The ”anti-imperialist” who drone striked Soleimani and almost started a war.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago

His bumbling hurts at least as much as it helps. He also rolled back the modest normalization efforts Obama had done with Iran and Cuba.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago

He also recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and the Golan Heights as part of Israel. The Biden admin could've easily rolled back at least some of these, but of course they didn't.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago

And he did a some (failed and successful) coups in Latin America

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago

Yeah, he coup'd Bolvia and tried to coup Venezuela and reverted to crippling sanctions on Cuba.

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[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 41 points 5 months ago

literally no difference between him and brandon

its either Obama admin ghouls in charge or Bush admin ghouls

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[-] assyrian@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago

wow I’ve been posting on here this whole time because I heard hexbear loves Trump, do you folx not?

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago

I think he's funny, and the funniest thing of all would be his execution.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago

Or Puyi him so we can keep his word salad takes on harmless topics

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Just make him a deal at his trial that he can never run for office again, but he gets his Twitter back. There's a good chance he takes it up.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago

For the sake of unity, I propose a lottery to determine the person who pulls the cord on the gui-better, and will let them make the decision.

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

A communist revolution rehabbing him and his new self just makes funny comments, hates on conservatism and writes wacky poetry would be possibly the best outcome.

[-] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 23 points 5 months ago

The orange man is in fact, bad. cheeto-man

The ice cream guy is also bad tho dem

[-] D61@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

chanting as I i-votedRedman/Blueman

"Four More Wars! Four More Wars"

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago
[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

How is it important asshole? big-honk HOW is Ukraine important to us?

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago
[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago

crying and seething

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 22 points 5 months ago

I wonder who would be more destructive for Ukraine now. Trump would probably still try to "make a deal" that amounts to a Treaty of Versailles situation for Ukraine. Most if not all the Russian demands, Ukrainian demilitarisation and maybe partial integration with Europe without any territorial recapture or NATO membership. I don't see him fighting the war to the last Ukrainian though because he hates losers. He's been outspokenly vicious toward wounded/imprisoned/dead American soldiers and they're sanctified to his base. The state of the war is so bad 9 months before he'd be taking office that Ukraine has no heroic propaganda image for him to latch onto.

Biden on the other hand is just pure blood for the blood god. For his entire career, toward any vulnerable group, at any opportunity he was given to hurt someone. Gaza shows how feral he is and how little human life means to him. I think he'll ride the war out all the way to FABs raining down on Kiev. The full effects of the new conscription law will be realised, each new round of aid will sell off more of whatever Russia doesn't take, and in the end there will still be a Treaty of Versailles for Ukraine. Maybe he'd do a post-WW2 Canada and allow all the Ukrainian Nazis to be American refugees, something I don't see Trump doing because they're losers. If Trump tried, I could see liberals suddenly remembering what all the patches on the soldiers' vests mean and reverting to their pre-2022 stance on the Ukrainian military.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago

Biden on the other hand is just pure blood for the blood god.

I'm 50-50 on if Biden would run Ukraine fully into the ground or if, with no third election to win, he'd wash his hands of the situation.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

That's where I think both ultimately end more or less the same way. The war is on life support and they both have to pull the plug. I think Biden will face more pressure to maintain the war from his party because he's built this up as the Good War. If NAFO ghouls didn't have this, they'd only be supporting the country that's committing genocide against starving children and provoking WW3. He personally has terrible instincts and remains fanatically attached to things until they're completely outside of the Overton window. Materially the war can't be sustained though, so I see maybe a few months' difference between the two ending it.

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Trump slapped sanction after sanction on Russian Federation.

His foreign policy will be the same as last time: pro-fascist Ukraine.

He was the first one to send huge aid packages and arms to Ukraine.

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

all it would take is somebody close to trump telling him that burisma was involved in paying the crocus hall terrorists and he'd be back on his hunter biden ukraine corruption tip

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[-] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

sitting at the lathe right now: he gets elected and takes all the money that's going to israel and funnels it into Ukraine, but in truth it's all distributed to shell corporations and embezzled through Deutsche Bank

[-] aaro@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-anti-imperialist/ somewhat libbed up but still fairly good article tabulating Trump's imperialism

That’s because the battle between Trump and the Establishment was not actually between anti-imperialism and imperialism. Rather it was a contest between two rival forms of imperialism. Trump wanted raw imperial plunder—as practiced in its classic form by European nations during the 19th and early 20th century, and by the United States in its relationship with Central and South America. This is an imperialism of naked territorial conquest, resource plunder, and alliances with local comprador autocrats.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff—like the larger American Establishment—has little appetite for this naked policy of looting in the name of enrichment. Rather, in a manner that goes back to the creation of the national security state under Harry Truman and Dean Acheson at the dawn of the Cold War in the late 1940s, the Establishment prefers that American global hegemony wear the decent drapery of internationalism and institutionalism. Instead of selfish appeals to “America First,” global hegemony is secured by claiming the form of support for an international liberal order—one maintained by alliances like NATO and SEATO as well as through agreements like NAFTA. This is imperialism in the name of international law, human rights, and free trade.

The linked Vox article, while substantially more libbed up, is also worth reading https://www.vox.com/23677654/trump-foreign-policy-revisionist-history-dove-anti-imperial

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

Yep, Trump's not a better choice, just a choice between two bourgeois.

[-] Sons_of_Ferrix@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago

Liberals must weight their hatred for Trump against their hatred for Putin.

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[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago

omg trumps bad now trump-anguish

Death to America

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago

dat's right

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

Ukraine "surviving" can mean a lot of things.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

Trump just had dinner with Duda from Poland. Trump just repeats the most recent thing he heard.

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[-] 420stalin69@hexbear.net 10 points 5 months ago

Ukraine surviving or Ukrainians?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago
[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Who didn't expected this shit?

Not surprising... maybe he has to make amends with Zelensky... due to a favor he asked from him in 2019...?

[-] Pluto@hexbear.net 3 points 5 months ago
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[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

Who calls Trump an anti-imperialist?

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

Pluto is constantly in an unending crusade against all of the imaginary 'pat socs' on this site who love Trump and Russia. Probably thinks he's owning them with this 'revelation'.

[-] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

I don’t know of any here, but there is a bit of a myth of trump being a little bit less war-monger-y than Biden. Actual patsocs are certainly out there. Rainer Shea, Midwestern Marx, Jackson Hinkle, etc are way too prominent.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 5 months ago

There's multiple layers here. I'll try to be neutral to explain the confusion. If I misrepresent anyone please call me out.

The kind of person you're talking about just gets banned here, no question. As soon as you say anything even slightly right-deviationist you're gone.

There also are, more or less, 3 camps in Hexbear with varying views on Trump, Russia, etc. The first camp, which zed_proclaimer argues for, sustains that Trump is no worse than Biden, or at least is not measurably so, and Russia is actively engaging in anti-imperialist struggle. The second camp, which encompasses most of the site, tends to think Trump is worse than Biden, but definitely not by a large enough difference to participate in electoralism. The second camp usually will consider Russia to be a net positive as a result of their geopolitical position, but unlike the first camp, the second camp usually will consider Russia to be rather reactionary and regressive (not necessarily in a historical materialist sense). Then the third camp, which is by far the smallest and tends to get banned for liberalism, tends to consider Trump to be much, much worse than Biden and might approve of electoralism as harm reduction. They often also have negative views of Russia, Iran, etc. No one fits neatly into any of these, but those are the general tendencies you'll observe here.

Full disclosure, I'm personally much closer to the first camp, and I think most of the people who hang out in the news mega tend to be as well.

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[-] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

Opportunists who aren’t here

[-] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago

Americans are so worm-brained that they care more about Ukraine than health care.

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