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[-] SGG@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Devil's advocate:

Crystals - placebo effect can be a thing, and if they provide a sense of relief that's a good thing. As long as they still take their actual medicne and don't think putting a herring in a sock will cure cancer.

Cables - While there's obviously a cut-off point. As an IT guy I have fixed a not-insignificant number of issues with sound/display/network quality/dropouts by replacing crap/damaged cables with slightly more expensive ones. Just don't expect them to turn. a 360p stream into 4k

[-] IronDonkey@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but people are continually scammed out of their life savings for snake oil that promises to do the impossible. If your making 100k and spend $30 a month on some bottle of homeopathic nonsense and placebo yourself out of a headache, that's fine I guess.

But the person who sold that to you is also getting hundreds of dollars a month from people making barely more than that by selling tic tacs or whatever at a several thousand percent markup, promising false hope to the vulnerable at the mere cost of everything they own.

Bit of a sore spot for me I guess, just because of who I know. What you say is technically true - a bit of extra placebo might be fine, but so many fall really hard for them, and the "innocent" use helps by middle+ class people who can afford it helps legitimize it, making it easier to prey on those who can't.

[-] LynnValk@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

On the crystal bit: honestly, alternative medicine stuff, as bogus as it may or may not be, can be fine and even sometimes helpful if it doesn't replace any of the actual medicine. Not only are placebos pretty dandy, some alternative medicine things actually help with treatment adhesion sometimes, because it can make the patient feel empowered in their health outcomes more than the usual spiel of "keep hydrated"/"eat well"/"sleep well"/"exercise" and in turn, can help people actually do these things, because they feel that they can actually impact their health with things they do.

Now, does this good outweigh the risk of them dropping the actual treatment over the alternative medicine stuff? I don't know, I'm not a researcher in this area, but I feel like not everything we do had to make sense you know? If something feels good and there's no harm in doing it, go ahead and knock yourself out, we are after all, sentient meat, and that comes with quirks.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I would agree except:

It creates an environment for scammers and charlatans to thrive. They grow and become more powerful and exploit more people. And the behavior becomes more common and more accepted as "that's just how it is" or "their own fault, lol idiots..."

It's just not worth it. A patient can tell themselves a white lie if they want, but it should be illegal for ANYONE, doctor or not to sell unproven medicine, and we need to crack down on the "not intended to treat or cure any illness" loophole.

[-] beardsley@midwest.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Spot on. the placebo effect is powerful and very likely plays a role in both scenarios.

Often I have supposed really expensive cables improve things just because it was time to replace cables already, or the connection was janky to begin with because the budding audiophile is upgrading from, say, bare wire connectors to banana plugs.

[-] Skirfir@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

That isn't really a placebo effect though. It's just imagining things but for it to be a placebo effect your imagination would also have to lead to an actual, measurable improvement of the audio quality. Which needless to say is impossible.

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[-] HandBanana@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[-] xaxl@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Oh no what have I done.

[-] Hopfgeist@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Gold-plating the connectors is actually one of the few things that does make sense. When new, they won't sound better, but they corrode less, which can, sometime in the future, make a difference, albeit very slight: surface oxidation can form a tiny capacitor. That said, I think you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference to chrome-plated ones. But unlike lots of other esoteric "high-end" nonsense, this one has at least theoretical technical merit. And the micrometer-scale galvanic gold-plating isn't expensive, either.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Gold/Nickel plating is standard for most connectors nowadays except for the cheapest of contacts, which uses tin plating.

Gold plating can still wear off, because pure gold plating is "soft" and "hard" gold plating is usually done with some kind of mixture with other metals for hardness. And the cost of gold plating depends greatly on the thickness, since most of the cost won't be in materials but in process time.

That being said, if you truly want the absolute best uncorrodible and toughest plating for a connector, look for rhodium plating, but that is VERY expensive.

[-] kurosawaa@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

I think the meme makes more since for any digital connection, where it's literally impossible for the cable to make a difference to the sound quality. I have seen some wacky shit online, like claims of gold plated optical audio cables.

[-] Hopfgeist@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

digital connection, where it's literally impossible for the cable to make a difference to the sound quality

Digital isn't magic. Lower-quality cables can very much make a difference on digital connections, including digital audio, although the effects are very different from analogue signal degradation. Granted, for the low bitrates required for audio you'd have to have a really bad cable/connector. As long as you are above a certain quality threshold, it doesn't matter, but with surface corrosion you may end up with marginal signal levels or degraded signal edges causing more bit errors. What that means depends on the type of protocol and the kind of error detection and error correction. Best case is a very good error correction, and nothing happens. But it may lead to slower transfer speeds due to retransmits, dropouts in real-time connections, or worse.

Less than perfect conductivity or mismatched impedance may also limit the bandwidth, cause reflections, and other nasty signal degradation. It is no joke that some cheap HDMI cables cannot reliably transmit 4k signals, and the higher-quality ones generally have gold-plated contact surfaces for good reason.

[-] kurosawaa@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

The difference in HDMI cables is entirely dependent on which version of HDMi hey are compliant with, it has nothing to do with using gold or any other kind of material. A digital signal is either readable or unreadable with no in-between. The chance of a degraded cable only lowering then quality of the output rather than resulting in total failiure is near impossible.

[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Most ridiculous are gold-plated HDMI cables.

[-] PiselloSauro@feddit.it 6 points 1 year ago

You could be right, but I present you evidence for even more stupidity…

Gold plated toslink cables

[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Lol, do (or did) they really exist ?

[-] PiselloSauro@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago

Yes and because of the stupidity of it they now say that it’s made that way to protect te connector against corrosion. Usually toslink cables are all plastic so I would really like to see how it corrodes

[-] updawg@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

What's wrong with your dog

[-] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

My favorite part about every power cable photo like this, is knowing that right inside the wall it's just normal cheap romex wiring all the way to the breaker box, and then cheap aluminum wiring all the way down the power lines.

[-] Seven@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] th_d@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

What am I seing in this picture?

[-] PCChipsM922U@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A very expensive power cord setup for audiophiles... it's snake ~~blood~~ oil basically.

[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Snake blood, upgraded version of snake oil ?

[-] Maultasche@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

snake blood

It definitely looks like a snake

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[-] oatscoop@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Here's a good article on the nonsense that is "ultra-high-end power cords".

[-] H3wastooshort@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

if you have swamp-like humidity, the coating prevents corrosion. if that is not an issue for you, it will do nothing. even if it were more conductive, audio signals are so low current, it wouldn't make a difference

[-] MagnusRobotFighter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I used to work at Circuit City and they always wanted us to push the $50 Monster cables and I was like no, these $5 cables are just fine. unfortunately, some customers think a higher price makes them better and won't listen to some dumb salesperson.

[-] desconectado@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

With some cables sometimes quality is higher with price though. I prefer a good 5 USD usb cable than a shitty one that breaks at the joint after a few days of use.

Same with audio cables for guitars, sound is probably not going to suffer (although really long cables can have some issues), but wear damage is definitely noticeable for the very cheap ones.

[-] IMongoose@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

$5 is not a high price. Some people (mostly audiophiles) are spending hundreds of dollars on a few feet of cable. Check out basically any cable on this page: https://kimber.com/

Quick edit, I do get your point, quality does usually go up with price, but to a point. This meme is making fun of people who buy sturdy stuff, but who buy vaporware.

[-] PillowTalk420@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gold is a better conductor than copper and gold also does not corrode. So they actually are better cables, since the thing the cable does is made significantly easier and less prone to failure when the wires and connectors are gold and not copper or some other metal that doesn't conduct electricity as well.

[-] ic33@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Gold is a worse conductor than copper. The benefit is just protection from corrosion.

(Copper conductivity is 6 * 10^7 S/m, gold is 4*10^7 S/m. Silver is 6.3 * 10^7, but very prone to corrosion).

[-] AnObscureTenet@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

The conductivity doesn't mean a damn thing when it's plating some shit-tier alloy.

That corrosion resistance though... more than worth the price. I made that mistake on some monitors once. ONCE.

[-] HulkSmashBurgers@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Anybody else remember the $2000 gold plated hdmi cable on amazon? The reviews were wild lol.

[-] 001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

These RGB lights can boost your Gaming performance!

I'll take your entire stock!

[-] lain3@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

i know that people don't like rgb, but i absolutely adore when everything in my room sparkles and shines like a christmas tree

[-] Hopfgeist@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Nothing wrong with that, but that's about taste and aesthetics, not performance.

I painted my pc black so the thing runs faster :)

[-] gilarelli@jlai.lu 1 points 1 year ago

Pff - typical noob: everybody knows that red is the color of speed 🙄

[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I personally think the fastest way to game is in a gaming chair with RGB lights built in. Even moreso if your RGB mic protrudes slightly into the shot so everyone knows what an important and dedicated streamer you are. Even faster gaming points if the mic makes it into your profile pic on social media, that way when people from high school see it, they think, "Wow, look at Brian. He must be a very important streamer now."

[-] haakon@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

And don’t let them touch the ground! Also get this DAC, it’s got bright highs. Don’t forget to burn in your headphones!

[-] skillissuer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

real. i've seen audiophile equipment that used SMA connectors for audio... why are you doing this

[-] sharkfucker420@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago
[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

But in 30 years, the gold plated one will be corroded a tiny bit less! So worth it!

[-] desorientado@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] SMT42@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's gotta be like a 1% improvement or something, nothing ever worth the price

[-] dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wood is a worse conductor than copper, so a copper cable is better than a wooden one.

I expect aluminum, copper, and gold wires would have similar performance over a short range.

[-] BeezKnuts@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Great. I guess I'll just throw out all my wooden aux cables then.

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