Comments are on and they're awful - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/03/opinion/covid-lab-leak.html#commentsContainer
yeah... a lab called Ft. Detrick
Bro, that was just a transient vaping disease and a pneumonia outbreak that occurred right around Ft Detrick, a place that has never had any concerns about the safe containment of infectious materials which was shut down for no particular reason. Trust me, bro - it's the wet markets that are to blame.
oh yeah vaping disease, that thing that had never happened before and has never happened since
Yeah, but it was just a weird thing that was never investigated and there was never any government response to try and determine whether there was a bad batch of something or that there was some sort of chemical or mechanical cause for this mystery disease so it's probably nothing.
Ackthyually, the vaping disease was because of vitamin E inserts even though some of the cases never used vitamin E inserts. vitamin E has been scientifically discovered to appear spontaneously.
exactly. It was just a coincidence and seething Chinese are the only ones stating otherwise
there's definitely no reason that the US had sudden mystery pneumonias in June 2019 and also August 2019 and also Sept-November 2019 which all tested negative for common culprits and kept thousands of kids out of school for weeks, and the fact that these pneumonias were totally absent in 2018 and prior is also a coincidence and it's also pure chance that at the Wuhan military games in October people from countries like Franceia were complaining of severe pneumonia-like illnesses, and that there were American kids dying of bloodclots in Nov 2019 right after recovering from pneumonia and the fact that vapers are 5x more likely to contract covid in the first place and just mysteriously had a huge vape epidemic in summer 2019 it's all just fucking Xi Jinping's fault
Popcorn lung to pandemic pipeline
The lab:
I will never stop posting it
I've been right about 10/10 covid predictions I made in 2020
Are people still doing this jesus christ : p 
These freaks won't be happy until they get their fucking war.
They'll get at least a cold war. It's jut a matter of time before the official US military budget hits one fucking trillion.
"china has biological weapons which can incapacitate an entire populace and choke their medical systems to ineffeciveness. thats why we have to go to war with them"
these are the deranged ramblings of fools
ctrl+f "detrick"
zero results
Oh my fucking God they're reviving this bullshit again?
Death to the West, holy shit.
In my ignorance I thought that once there was a scientific consensus that a zoonotic crossover event was the likely origin for covid this shit would be over, at least among liberals. How naive I was…
It never ends, this shit. But it's too late, we've seen who had it together enough to handle the pandemic, and who didn't.
This article is motivated reasoning at its best. It’s drawing conclusions about the likelihood of a lab leak based purely on circumstantial evidence. That’s not how science works! That kind of reasoning is the basis for race science, climate change denialism, and all sorts of other pseudoscientific nonsense. You can’t just say “There is some uncertainty in climate models and also it snowed today so obviously global warming is a myth”. You also can’t casually dismisses the evidence presented that point to a zoonotic origin of the virus without good counter evidence.
The fact remains that most of the preeminent virologists in the world believe a zoonotic crossover event was the likely origin of Covid. The World Health Organization made a statement to that effect and they haven’t changed their position. Even Fauci recently testified in front of congress and said the same thing. The author of this article, Alina Chan, is not taken seriously in the field. She’s just some fucking post doc who wanted a book deal.
It just goes to show how much the liberal line of “Listen to the science” is such bullshit if all the opinions in the NYT are pseudo intellectual hacks that obediently regurgitate the US state department line.
The fact remains that most of the preeminent virologists in the world believe a zoonotic crossover event was the likely origin of Covid. The World Health Organization made a statement to that effect and they haven’t changed their position
yeah because they either haven't heard of ft detrick or are covering it up!
If you believe that then you’re making the same mistake as this author just without the whole carrying water for imperialism thing which of course matters.
lol k tell me what caused the vaping disease around ft detrick in 2019
Steam wastewater sterilization wasn't working from 2018-2019, mysterious illness crops up, and then military service members from the area go to Wuhan China for military games, but yea, totally not a lab leak from a shoddily run american bioweapons facility
Zoonotic crossover event, with the twist that the animal it crossed over from was a rat at Ft. Detrick. 🤔
No that’s not how this works. There are a so many things that could cause respiratory illnesses and the vast majority of them aren’t covid. Whatever you say was happening at ft detrick doesn’t have to be covid at all. You only believe it so because the narrative suits your particular bias. Again you’re doing exactly what the author of this article is doing, minus her capacity to fake scientific credibility for a general audience and her pro state departments bias.
More importantly, if you even want to suggest it was covid you would have to be able to explain away the evidence we do have. That’s something the author of this article tries but fails to do. I don’t expect you’ll have better arguments than the papers she cites. You’d have better luck parroting what they say if you want to make your case.
That said, I feel like I’m going to have a hard time convincing you you’re wrong because I doubt you understand anything about the science in question. You first need to understand that virologists can trace the evolution of a virus down to a precise timescale and lineage. Viruses mutate in a predictably rapidly but consistent rate. Think of their genetic code as like an atomic clock in a way. It’s so precise in fact that scientists can trace the origins of every circulating strain of Covid to a set of almost uniformly identical strains found in Wuhan. They can also pin down a precise time point for when those strains started spreading in humans. From that they can conclude that it is incredibly unlikely the virus was spreading in humans before reaching Wuhan. Additionally scientists can lay out the locations of where the virus was as it mutated and spread, not just globally but within Wuhan itself. That analysis shows us that the Wuhan wet market was the likely epicenter of the spread. There’s more but if you want to discuss further than that you’ll really need to read up on the tools and methods virologists use.
That’s all to say that the evidence available makes any ft detrick scenario just so incredibly unlikely it’s not worth considering seriously. Seek truth from facts BMF and you’ll be much better at deducing when and how the state department is lying to you.
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Original strain isn't from Wuhan. https://web.archive.org/web/20200410111500/https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/covid-19-genetic-network-analysis-provides-snapshot-of-pandemic-origins
Wastewater data also shows covid was present in Europe and the US before being discovered in Wuhan. Why are you so confident about something you haven't researched?
“It is a misinterpretation of our research to suggest that the novel coronavirus originated outside China”
This is a direct quote from the scientist whose work you are trying to cite. It was added to the article because people like you were intentionally misinterpreting his work.
Don’t try this “something you haven’t researched” shit when you clearly don’t know the first thing about phylogenomics.
literally everytime i see threads like these i think to myself "where are my fort detrick truthers" and everytime they're in here. i should probably actually try and learn what the deal is with detrick
i should probably actually try and learn what the deal is with detrick
I've been a Ft. Detrick truther since March 2020
You really don’t have to. It’s a theory anyone who knows anything about the science won’t take seriously. It just gained traction because some Chinese media claimed it was a possibility after the Wuhan lab leak theory was getting talked up in western media. That’s why hexbears latched onto it so much. However, in a weirdly new way to express western chauvinism, many hexbears just ignore the Chinese scientists who did the hard work of helping to identify the likely origins of Covid. They mean well and rightfully question the US state department story but it’s painfully frustrating all the same.
yeah tbh it always felt like people just counterjerking the obviously bullshit wuhan lab thing and then getting lost in the sauce, especially since the main thing that seems to be evidence of it after all this time is still just the same load of google search screenshots i've seen about a dozen times
i should probably actually try and learn what the deal is with detrick
Here you go:
Erm, it's proooobably started in a lab, sweaty. Here's Why That's A Good Thing. Vote.
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I don’t give a shit where it came from. The fact of the matter is that the US became aware of it and did absolutely nothing for its citizens nor the world. If an arsonist burns my house, I’ll be pissed, but if the firefighters arrived and just stood there and kicked the dirt I’d be more furious about that than about thr arsonist.
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