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These Trump shooters are thoroughly disproving the whole "good guy with a gun" thing (hexbear.net)

submitted 10 months ago by Infamousblt@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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These dudes think they're the "good guys" from that fantasy land where "good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns" BUT THEY KEEP FUCKING MISSING. How are you, a "good guy", supposed to stop a bad guy if you can't even hit anything.

Absolutely loser mentality from start to finish and these folks are proof.

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[-] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 47 points 10 months ago

Americans can't shot guns. Americans can't make guns. All Americans know is buy shitty ar and lie.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 47 points 10 months ago

We need a theory of gun morality to explain the new data. The only way to stop a bad guy without a gun is a good guy with a gun, but only with a coherent ideology. Good guy with a gun + wacko terminally online ideology is not useful.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago

Gun morality is apparently on a can shoot straight/can't shoot straight axis.

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Liberal driller supports this conclusion

[-] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

Still adventurism. Need a good guy with a gun, a coherent ideology, comrades who are prepared to capitalize on the moment and a specific plan for how the shooting will advance the cause factoring into account an accurate assessment of the proletariat's present sympathies and tolerance for violence. A unicorn in other words.

Meanwhile yamagami is only arguably good and had no coherent ideology or program and got the goods anyway shrug-outta-hecks

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 49 points 10 months ago

"You hurt my mom and ruined my life" is a perfectly cromulent reason to murder someone.

[-] Bloobish@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

yamagami had a coherent ideology or at least reason, i.e. "my mother was exploited and died in poverty via a cult, I wish to destroy the leader of this cult and if not that then it's biggest enabler". He succeeded due to this very clear, very direct understanding of the target and goal as well as likely the inherent challenge of creating the doohicky due to the gun laws in Japan.

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

You need organized guyS with gunS.

[-] Bloobish@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ngl they have all been totally not "good guys" given them being neocon wonks and weird ass distorted chuds in their ideology. Contrast with yamagami who had a clear vision of why and who he wished to do an adventure-time on that he was successful even in a country with strict gun laws.

Hot take is that these presidential assassin fail sons are a result of American chauvinism inherent in gun culture and the ease of access in guns leading to a over estimation in one's own skills in actually hitting a specific target.

[+] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

Honestly I know a lot of gun people (being a Burgerlander we all know each other) on the right right and left and everywhere between, and the only ones who I knew via demonstration and me shooting with them that were good shots were not the "leave it loaded by my bed side" kind of people and were instead the "keep my guns and ammo in different safes in different places" kind of people.

So yeah basically it turns out at least in my experience that irresponsible people demonstrably suck especially in the gun department.

[-] buh@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 35 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Most red states privatize land so conservatives can really just consoom gun and not train in any dynamic environment. You can find posts of dudes moving to Texas from California or PNW and realizing there’s no public land lol

Once again, the adage of Americans have the freedom to buy is true.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You can find posts of dudes moving to Texas from California or PNW and realizing there’s no public land lol

And it will be eternally hilarious when it happens and that it keeps happening.

1)Moves to place because it is run by reactionary shitheads

2)Realizes place is shit because of the shitheads

Sucks to suck

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

I mean the Swiss have a vibrant gun culture and they store their equipment separately and have few mass shootings.

[-] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They have all their national service stuff but they also have surprisingly lax options for private ownership of guns and ammunition as well (basically just a background check no registries or significant restrictions). It’s just only a small number of people actually do it.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

I was lead to believe that privately owned firearms had to be stored under lock and key at a gun club at all times when they were not being used?

[-] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s been a while since I looked into but I think it’s not a rule at a national level, but the canton police have significant flexibility on whether they approve applications for semi-automatic rifles and handguns. So one place might have requirements that another might not.

But for all manually operated firearms it’s pretty cruise-y.

Edit: the more I look into there’s lot of different permits with overlap, shall issue or must issue etc. Swiss bureaucracy. Etc. But I guess my point is like if a persons want a pump action shotgun or a bolt action rifle they’d get it very quickly, and be able to keep it at home with ammo, for more complicated guns it might be harder.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

rat-salute-2

[-] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

There's also such a thing as having the right tool for the job. It's one guy- has nobody heard of a scoped bolt action???

[-] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

He was using a scoped AK but someone saw his gun before he could pop a shot lol

[-] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

It might have been an sks

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah the best shots I've known were the dudes who treated it like a fun hobby, not like they were prepping for IRL Fallout.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 31 points 10 months ago

Chuds have guns as a security blanket, they don't bother to learn to actually shoot. In their fantasies, just having one will save them while not considering that the thug trying to rob them probably has one too.

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

The other guy doesn't even have a gun pain

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Oh maybe that's why they keep missing. Quick someone give Trump a gun

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

White hat cowboys can't draw until the black hat cowboy has already drawn!

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

Isn't he one of the few people with a concealed carry license in NYC?

[-] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He's possibly not even being charged with attempted assassination because the only shots that were fired were from the secret service agents. Goes to show you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

erm achually 🤓 there are no good guys at Drumpf rallies

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago

I remember feeling kind of bad hearing that a guy died from Trumps first assasination attempt and then someone found the guys twitter and obviously the guy was a massive nazi, so my sympathy just vanished immediately. Not sure why i expected the guy to be normal, but somehow I did.