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Twitch declares that “Zionist” is a slur, will issue bans for criticizing “individuals” based on their “religious beliefs or background” (genocide, settler colonialism)

https://archive.ph/qwX4r

Implications for leftist streamers like HasanAbi

azan

potentially establishing precedents for mass removal and censorship of anti-genocide organizing and education on other major social media platforms

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[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 18 points 6 hours ago

Fucking freaks dude, this kind of shit has me feeling like something big is going to give sooner rather than later.

[-] urmums401k@hexbear.net 14 points 6 hours ago

Genocidair?

[-] Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee 22 points 6 hours ago

Wonder if Twitch admin are a bunch of zionists.

[-] urmums401k@hexbear.net 16 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

No! A vc funded tech company owned by one of the mega corporations that uses its recommendation algorithm to turn children into Nazis might have genocidal Nazis in leadership?

I call bullshit; couldn't be true.

[-] Josephine_Spiro@hexbear.net 12 points 6 hours ago

(Joke) Another day, another banger for twitch. They got rid of the wretched slur, Crcker, and now. the got rid of Zinist Thank you (twitch CEO), you make us all greatful.

[-] toys_are_back_in_town@hexbear.net 14 points 7 hours ago

wtf i love gamers saying slurs now

[-] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 15 points 7 hours ago

I gotta say this latest batch of weird internet gamer gate hitlerites that are targeting Hasan are particularly disconcerting to me

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 72 points 10 hours ago

Slurs are when you correctly identify someone by the name of the political ideology they adhere too.

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 21 points 6 hours ago

Which they also label themselves as.

[-] urmums401k@hexbear.net 13 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Well yes but only they can say it. You just dont understand the history of the word, and they don't need you goysplaining their genocidal ambitions to them.

[-] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 38 points 9 hours ago
[-] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 22 points 9 hours ago

Anyway, let's talk about how TOTALITARIAN it is that in China you can't just say the most fucked up shit imaginable on the internet free of consequence.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 42 points 10 hours ago

A lot of Americans believe that Israel controls the US. Stuff like this feeds into that for the uninformed.

[-] urmums401k@hexbear.net 10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Its literally just a 'protocols of the elders of Zion' larp group.

Proposed new identifier: protocols larper

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 9 hours ago

Which drives up (actual) antisemitism. Which leads to (actual) pogroms. Which leads to American Jews (and others around the world) moving to Israel.

Aka: all part of the Zionist plan.

And for any liberal dinguses reading this going "heuh heuh wow look how racist the left is! Heuh heuh!" I'm speaking not about the Jewish Zionists concentrated in Israel, the US and EU. I'm talking about the majority of Zionists... evangelical Christians. Rabid racists who support actions like this from the US state and other Western governments in hopes that it does exactly what I wrote above. They want all the Jews in America to go live in Israel until the rapture happens and they're all sent to Hell or whatever specific fanfic they choose to believe. It serves their goal of making America more of a WASP ethnostate, emptying it of non-Christians that they hate, and feeds their psychotic religious fervor.

It's actually incredible how many specific things that you can point at that make America suck have been upheld by or caused by evangelicals

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 7 points 3 hours ago

There's a reason England sent them all here

[-] urmums401k@hexbear.net 5 points 6 hours ago

Yeah, before theremoved riots I always used to say Christian Zionists are worse.

[-] mudpuppy@hexbear.net 7 points 7 hours ago

doesn't israel have a lot of sway over the us military and its propaganda machine?

[-] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 hours ago

Israel is an arm of the US military. It only exists because of the US military, and it continues to exist only as long as it carries out the will of the US military.

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 9 points 5 hours ago

it's like a mass line but cringe. the party of american capital is still in control

[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 61 points 11 hours ago

I've seen so many people who self-identify as a Zionist (by just openly saying "I'm a Zionist") insist that Zionist is a slur. But then why are you proudly using it to describe yourself!?

[-] Angel@hexbear.net 28 points 9 hours ago

Reclamation! doggirl-thumbsup

[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 47 points 10 hours ago

Only they can call each other a Zionist.

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 12 points 6 hours ago

It's THEIR word!

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 116 points 12 hours ago

The year 2027: "The word Nazi is now a slur, please don't call the Nazis Nazis."

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 17 points 5 hours ago

This literally happened in Sept 2023 in Canada after parliament applauded the waffen ss

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 35 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Better to call them what they are Zionazis. Zionsim is not a religion. It is a racist ethno-supremacy fascistic ideology. It uses the mask of a religion as Hitler did with the Swastika to shield it. People should rebel. The entity is lashing out in desperation.

[-] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 88 points 13 hours ago

So fuck twitch (and streaming in general tbh) but it seems like an easy workaround is just to call them genocide supporters or settler-colonizers.

[-] urmums401k@hexbear.net 7 points 6 hours ago

'Protocols of the elders of Zion larper'

[-] Clippy@hexbear.net 52 points 12 hours ago

though that is a bummer explicitly is that these folks would proudly call themselves zionists, i would gamble that settler colonizer is too technical in a sense

[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 42 points 12 hours ago

Fascist hitlerites

[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 82 points 13 hours ago

in amerikkka settler colonists are a protected class

people will just start calling them genocidal apartheid-supporters instead

or maybe fascist isn't a slur yet

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 44 points 13 hours ago

I sent support a demand to delete my account and any historic personal data made it very clear why I want it gone

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 72 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/An-Update-to-How-We-Enforce-Our-Hateful-Conduct-Policy?language=en_US

using the term “Zionist” to attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief is against our rules. We recognize that “Zionist” and “Zionism” also refer to a political movement. Using the term to refer to the political movement, whether in a supportive or critical way, does not violate our Hateful Conduct policy.

The way it's written suggests they intend to use it to go after antisemites who use zionist to mean jew, but the total opaqueness of twitch moderation and the context of the ADL trying to silence antizionists on twitch makes me think they're going to go after anyone who doesn't support the genocide in gaza, namely Hasan instead.

Actually they're certainly going to do both, but mostly the latter, given how integral the settler colonial project is to Israeli identity.

We prohibit the use of terms that may not be harmful or abusive in isolation, but can be used as a slur or to denigrate others in certain contexts. Similar to other terms that may be used as a proxy for a protected group, we treat “Zionists” as a proxy for Jews or Israelis if the word is used in a context to promote harm or violence, or when used to make dehumanizing comparisons or perpetuate antisemitic stereotypes. Comments regarding Zionism that are about the political movement, including criticisms, do not violate our Hateful Conduct Policy. Comments that call for violence against Zionism as a political movement, or comments that would otherwise violate our policies, are not allowed.

Prohibited example: Zionist [name of animal].

Allowed example: Zionist settlers keep encroaching Palestinian borders.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 36 points 11 hours ago

we treat “Zionists” as a proxy for Jews or Israelis 

he-admit-it They're using Judaism as a cover.

[-] uherbs@hexbear.net 66 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I agree, it’s a recuperation of liberal anti hate-speech rhetoric to buttress collapsing public support for imperialism and genocide. Maddening open hypocrisy that they’re citing anti-semitism while platforming and algorithmically promoting Nazis and other fascists as the top twitch streamers (with the exception of Hassan).

[-] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 34 points 12 hours ago

So does this mean if I have a Pro-Israel account and I say "Zionist Dove" or some shit I can be banned as well?

Is it allowed to say "Zionism, the ideology, should be punishable by death"

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 31 points 12 hours ago

So does this mean if I have a Pro-Israel account and I say “Zionist Dove” or some shit I can be banned as well?

Probably not.

Is it allowed to say “Zionism, the ideology, should be punishable by death”

When twitch bans you, they tell you what rule you broke, but they don't tell you how it was broken or when. So in practice, you would never be able to say "I was banned for saying X which isn't against the rules".

[-] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 39 points 12 hours ago

Can't even stream reggae music anymore. Twitch is babylon.

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 30 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

it all depends on the implementation tbh. At best this'll be tone policing of antizionists that would never be applied to islamophobes, but at worst it could be as you say, justification for mass censorship of anti-zionist content

I don't think it'll just stop at censoring people using "zionist pigs" as an insult (which isn't antisemitic to begin with ofc), it'll probably go further because the people that cajoled twitch into making this change in the first place will keep pushing those same buttons (threatening advertisers with smear campaigns) again and again, but there must be limits to how far they can be pushed

[-] urmums401k@hexbear.net 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Fuck twitch; get your friends off twitch

And they're owned by amazon, so steal from a whole foods.

[-] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 31 points 12 hours ago

Has the ban hammer already hit Hasan? He's normally live by now.

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[-] miz@hexbear.net 28 points 12 hours ago

death to america, death to the zionist entity, death to kkkrackadom

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