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Have the discussion here and not in dustbunnies post.

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[-] Yukiko@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago

I'll say it again here. Admins need to get their shit together and stop with the bullshit. I've caught strays on nonsense over the last couple weeks twice now and it's starting to piss me off. This is how you kill a website with nearly no growth.

If you want to see my full explanation of all this, just go into my post history and see what I said in the other thread.

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

hot take: upvoting fascist tailism is actually banworthy

[-] niph@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago

For punishments to be just, they must be merited, consistently enforced, predictable, and proportionate.

Perhaps showing support, even accidentally, for reactionary views might merit punishment. However, this punishment is likely not consistently enforced, and the rule is not stated anywhere on the website.

Most importantly, any kind of ban for a single upbear from a user with no prior pattern of behaviour is entirely disproportionate to the wrongdoing. It blows my mind that anyone could consider it an appropriate response.

[-] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago

admins not beating the arbitrary rulings on their fiefdom allegations

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Agreed (even though I also think the reasoning and very temp-ban was not the worst). If they want to power trip they should be open and upfront about it (though then I imagine there might ~~will definitely be~~ understandable splintering- well such is online comms as well as leftist spaces). It would be funny then at least

[-] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

when one of my friends says something shitty that seems out of character, I talk to them about it. if admins can see who said what, then admins can talk to them about it. so yeah I do disagree with the immediate banning and not pulling well meaning comrades aside to go "hey, this comment you upvoted was kinda shitty. do you see why that is?". discuss things with comrades and help them improve

and even then I would do this with people who have a history of it. a one off can be a misclick, misreading, misunderstanding the words. I know my dyslexic ass has to reread posts sometimes because words just fall out of the sentence I read when I process them

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

True, this is a space for comrades/halfways decent people (by the standards of the broader internet, pretty much anyone here probably may as well may be saints, though the bar is in hell), immediate bans even as a temp measure suck. Knowing myself, if I caught any strays and took it personally (in the past I surely would've, dunno about/depends for nowadays) I would be frothing at the bit about it and it would be counterproductive.

And also, mood to the latter though don't think I'm dyslexic (probably just read or skim faster than I process, and also my memory can sometimes be that of a goldfish). Also because sometimes I'm just updooting all the comments if there aren't many lol

[-] SocialistDovahkiin@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

death to upvotes

upbear to join the upbear abolition league

together we can make the site more fun to use and more relaxing!

if 30 or more users upbear, the upbear abolition league will receive a cool forum signature type banner to put at the end of each of their posts!!!

(this is not a bit btw, these events have confirmed my undying hatred for internet points)

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

letting people vote on quanta of conversation was a mistake. this is not a joke, i have come to understand over time that while abolition of the down vote was good, complete destruction of internet points is better. even though i like when i get a lot of them. they're still fucking bad for human brains.

[-] The_sleepy_woke_dialectic@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

Hexbear sortition posting. Only 100 accounts may post on a given day, sorted randomly.

[-] The_sleepy_woke_dialectic@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago

Ooh and on other lemmies we're federated with, artificially give every post 10k upvotes so we're always at the top of threads garf-troll

[-] Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

▼ with ▲ ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ

[-] SocialistDovahkiin@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Bears That Want ▼ with ▲ ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ

Upbears make the site a more disagreeable place. Not only are they difficult to moderate without being punitive or harming user's experience (not to mention day), but they help replicate toxic modes of communication in real life, by facilitating the rapid spread of unspoken assumptions and prejudices. Make Hexbear an Up Bear by going Down with Upbears

[-] SocialistDovahkiin@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

I can't see upbear counts so I will make the signature regardless lol

[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

I think they'll need to stay for the hot/top sorting function to work, but hiding the numbers would be v. good imo

[-] dustbunnies@hexbear.net 31 points 4 days ago

deeply grateful for your attempt to remove the struggle session from my replies ❤️😭

you are literally trying to fall on a sword for me here, and it is incredibly kind of you and so much more than I deserve

thank you for being such a gigantic sweetie pie. idk what I can ever do to repay your kindness, but please know that I will never forget this and never stop trying to make it up to you.

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago

hardly a sword for me, I like the drama.

[-] dustbunnies@hexbear.net 13 points 4 days ago

❤️ regardless – my gratitude is deep, and I will find a way to repay you

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

Kindness requires no repayment but kindness.

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

Maybe you could be repaid in drama? Not me though I'm chill (until otherwise)

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

I'm not wading into some 100+ comments thread, so I'll comment here instead:

A lot of this is because we are on some shitty Reddit clone that doesn't have a read button. I pretty much just used the upvote button as a read button on Reddit. It's something that I had to unlearn on here.
People are going to accidentally upvote stuff they shouldn't have upvoted, especially when they're on their phone. I know on Twitter, some people would just block you because you accidentally liked something they don't like. This is why I use an alt when browsing Hexbear on my phone. I don't want to be put in a situation where I get banned because my fingers accidentally upvoted something that I shouldn't have upvoted.
I'm glad you're still around. I was worried the dunk tank drama had chased you off the site.

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

Can't speak for anyone who might have taken it the wrong way (your upvotes, though who among us hasn't done similar once...?) but I have infinite love and respect for comrades who better themselves, let alone fess up publicly to it which must be a hell of a thing and I don't think anyone was even asking for.

Maybe some might not be cool with it (no one's spoken up as such yet I think?) but as a broader space and community in general I think this is an important and wonderful thing (where it can be afforded- and in the circumstances it certainly could be far, far more than afforded IMO). We all have to start somewhere (as someone who was raised pretty much a chud, who has fucked up really badly before and learnt better, etc etc...).

cat-trans

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

Big agree.

When something like that comment gets 17 upvotes, some people expect the mods to address it in a bigger way than simple removal.

I think messaging each user would’ve been ideal, but a 24 hour ban is a slap on the wrist and I don’t think anybody holds it against otherwise non-reactionary users.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

two-wolves-2 two-wolves-1 you ever notice the two wolves emojis are actually sized differently at the neck? You can't make a dogdog. Also we can't make catdog either. thonk-cri

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago

that is so fucked up doggirl-gloom

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

I know right! trying to make emoji abominations is a fun pastime but it's jarring when the alignments aren't close enough to sorta blend them together in the minds eye. porky-scared maduro-katana-1 coming-to-xi-you

[-] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago

what did I miss hillary-apartment

[-] The_sleepy_woke_dialectic@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

I don't want to keep drama going around for longer than necessary and would rather grillman but I'm afraid of stepping on toes by touching on a previously struggle session-ed topic I didn't know about. It would be nice to have maybe a one line briefing somewhere on these things if possible.

[-] Aradina@lemmy.ml 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

When I saw the bans I assumed at least some due diligence had been done to ensure it was a pattern of behaviour. I wasn't around then, but I know during transphobe purges people's voting patterns were used, and that went well. So I thought it'd be the same here. Patterns.

Banning for one upvote in one thread isnt a pattern and doesn't prove shit.

I didn't really read the original post. I skimmed before bed. I've seen people say it was unacceptable fash shit along the lines of "sacrifice minorities to please fascists this will end well." If people agree with that they should probably fuck off, and I wouldn't be against banning them. But an upvote doesn't always mean agreement. Not consistently enough to ban based on it anyway, the friendly fire rate would be very high.

If they banned based on having complete knowledge of the beliefs of users reading it, then it wouldn't be an issue for me. But the upvote button doesn't represent that.

[-] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

sorry i just clocked out of work. what did i miss?

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago

Mods tempbanned a handful of people for upvoting a reactionary post basically.

[-] regul@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago

jesse-wtf

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

Same. I'm not in the loop on this one at all

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

A comment that basically said to create a populist movement you need to include fascists and all sorts of -ists got 17 upvotes and everyone who upvoted it got a 24 hour ban.