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[-] Yukiko@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago

I'll say it again here. Admins need to get their shit together and stop with the bullshit. I've caught strays on nonsense over the last couple weeks twice now and it's starting to piss me off. This is how you kill a website with nearly no growth.

If you want to see my full explanation of all this, just go into my post history and see what I said in the other thread.

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

hot take: upvoting fascist tailism is actually banworthy

[-] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago

admins not beating the arbitrary rulings on their fiefdom allegations

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Agreed (even though I also think the reasoning and very temp-ban was not the worst). If they want to power trip they should be open and upfront about it (though then I imagine there might ~~will definitely be~~ understandable splintering- well such is online comms as well as leftist spaces). It would be funny then at least

[-] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

when one of my friends says something shitty that seems out of character, I talk to them about it. if admins can see who said what, then admins can talk to them about it. so yeah I do disagree with the immediate banning and not pulling well meaning comrades aside to go "hey, this comment you upvoted was kinda shitty. do you see why that is?". discuss things with comrades and help them improve

and even then I would do this with people who have a history of it. a one off can be a misclick, misreading, misunderstanding the words. I know my dyslexic ass has to reread posts sometimes because words just fall out of the sentence I read when I process them

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

True, this is a space for comrades/halfways decent people (by the standards of the broader internet, pretty much anyone here probably may as well may be saints, though the bar is in hell), immediate bans even as a temp measure suck. Knowing myself, if I caught any strays and took it personally (in the past I surely would've, dunno about/depends for nowadays) I would be frothing at the bit about it and it would be counterproductive.

And also, mood to the latter though don't think I'm dyslexic (probably just read or skim faster than I process, and also my memory can sometimes be that of a goldfish). Also because sometimes I'm just updooting all the comments if there aren't many lol

[-] dustbunnies@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago

deeply grateful for your attempt to remove the struggle session from my replies ❤️😭

you are literally trying to fall on a sword for me here, and it is incredibly kind of you and so much more than I deserve

thank you for being such a gigantic sweetie pie. idk what I can ever do to repay your kindness, but please know that I will never forget this and never stop trying to make it up to you.

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

hardly a sword for me, I like the drama.

[-] dustbunnies@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

❤️ regardless – my gratitude is deep, and I will find a way to repay you

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

Kindness requires no repayment but kindness.

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

Maybe you could be repaid in drama? Not me though I'm chill (until otherwise)

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

I'm not wading into some 100+ comments thread, so I'll comment here instead:

  1. A lot of this is because we are on some shitty Reddit clone that doesn't have a read button. I pretty much just used the upvote button as a read button on Reddit. It's something that I had to unlearn on here.

  2. People are going to accidentally upvote stuff they shouldn't have upvoted, especially when they're on their phone. I know on Twitter, some people would just block you because you accidentally liked something they don't like. This is why I use an alt when browsing Hexbear on my phone. I don't want to be put in a situation where I get banned because my fingers accidentally upvoted something that I shouldn't have upvoted.

  3. I'm glad you're still around. I was worried the dunk tank drama had chased you off the site.

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

Can't speak for anyone who might have taken it the wrong way (your upvotes, though who among us hasn't done similar once...?) but I have infinite love and respect for comrades who better themselves, let alone fess up publicly to it which must be a hell of a thing and I don't think anyone was even asking for.

Maybe some might not be cool with it (no one's spoken up as such yet I think?) but as a broader space and community in general I think this is an important and wonderful thing (where it can be afforded- and in the circumstances it certainly could be far, far more than afforded IMO). We all have to start somewhere (as someone who was raised pretty much a chud, who has fucked up really badly before and learnt better, etc etc...).

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[-] niph@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

For punishments to be just, they must be merited, consistently enforced, predictable, and proportionate.

Perhaps showing support, even accidentally, for reactionary views might merit punishment. However, this punishment is likely not consistently enforced, and the rule is not stated anywhere on the website.

Most importantly, any kind of ban for a single upbear from a user with no prior pattern of behaviour is entirely disproportionate to the wrongdoing. It blows my mind that anyone could consider it an appropriate response.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

two-wolves-2two-wolves-1 you ever notice the two wolves emojis are actually sized differently at the neck? You can't make a dogdog. Also we can't make catdog either. thonk-cri

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago
[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

I know right! trying to make emoji abominations is a fun pastime but it's jarring when the alignments aren't close enough to sorta blend them together in the minds eye. porky-scared maduro-katana-1coming-to-xi-you

[-] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

I don't want to keep drama going around for longer than necessary and would rather grillman but I'm afraid of stepping on toes by touching on a previously struggle session-ed topic I didn't know about. It would be nice to have maybe a one line briefing somewhere on these things if possible.

[-] Aradina@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

When I saw the bans I assumed at least some due diligence had been done to ensure it was a pattern of behaviour. I wasn't around then, but I know during transphobe purges people's voting patterns were used, and that went well. So I thought it'd be the same here. Patterns.

Banning for one upvote in one thread isnt a pattern and doesn't prove shit.

I didn't really read the original post. I skimmed before bed. I've seen people say it was unacceptable fash shit along the lines of "sacrifice minorities to please fascists this will end well." If people agree with that they should probably fuck off, and I wouldn't be against banning them. But an upvote doesn't always mean agreement. Not consistently enough to ban based on it anyway, the friendly fire rate would be very high.

If they banned based on having complete knowledge of the beliefs of users reading it, then it wouldn't be an issue for me. But the upvote button doesn't represent that.

[-] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

sorry i just clocked out of work. what did i miss?

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

Mods tempbanned a handful of people for upvoting a reactionary post basically.

[-] regul@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago
[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

Same. I'm not in the loop on this one at all

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

Normally I wouldn't bother to get pushy about this, but if I'm doin' time I may as well do the crime:

I still haven't heard Amber make the kind of bad take that would justify the anger she generates.

[-] AMBER_BOT@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago
[-] Aradina@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago

Amber bot has been stalwartly posting through this

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

shilling for right wingers while posing as a leftist should allow criticism

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

More serious, though, I kinda think this demonstrates how unhelpful "fascist" is as a political description in the 21st century. Like, what makes you something, what makes you a liberal or a socialist or a conservative or a fascist isn't just what you think or believe. It's how you act, what you do, that actually makes you something. So, if you look at most US americans... they aren't really anything more than Workers on the clock and Consumers off the clock. They believe and think all sorts of things (fully contradictory things, often enough), but until any of those thoughts or beliefs translate to real action, they may as well not exist.

But when we talk and type about these things, there's often a more relaxed threshold; "a communist believes in more bigger government", "a libertarian is someone who thinks you should be allowed to indentured servitude your offspring". (I think, for the english speaking world, it's partly do to an ingrained Protestant culture - what makes you a Christian isn't necessarily what you do or the community you keep, it's the personal thoughts and intentions you have that God is always keeping tally of.) If our criteria for "fascist" is simply "thinks/believes X, Y, and Z" then we're going to be including far more people in that category than if it were action-dependent, like "acts to harm marginalized communities".

It doesn't help that the word is being thrown about with a lot more abandon. Liberals will call anyone who votes for Trump fascist. And, like, sure, voting is an action (barely). But I don't really think my well meaning neighbors who are (rightly) frustrated with the state of things belong in the same political category as skinheads and klan members just because they voted for the funny orange man or repeat some vile talking points they got from cable television.

[-] WhoaSlowDownMaurice@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago
[-] blame@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago
[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

more like phppb

[-] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

Locking this as it is becoming hostile.

We won't be issuing sitebans on a single upvote alone going forward, but it can and will be used with other upvotes/posts/comments.

A larger post will be coming shortly

this post was submitted on 23 Nov 2024
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