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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 70 points 1 month ago

I always hope that everyone speaks English and if they seem worried about how it sounds I remind them that their English is way better than my their language which usually breaks the ice.

[-] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Heard someone say this on reddit many years ago after someone was being a wise ass about their English which was obviously second or third language

You speak English because it's the only language you know; I speak English because it's the only language you know We are not the same

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 month ago

That's pretty funny, but I'm years past accepting the "hurr durr ignorant american knows only one language" thing. Except as a response to someone harassing someone about their English capabilities, as seems to be the case in your example. 😁

The way I figure it, if the people two states away from me in every direction spoke a different language from me, and from each other, I'd probably be multilingual, too. (As would most of us)

[-] PostingInPublic@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

Is this not fairly likely in the US with Mexican Spanish or/and Canadian/Cajun French?

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 month ago

Within the USA, the language enclaves aren't strong enough. You might find people who can't speak English, but there are enough people in their communities that can speak English that you can get along.

Of the countries I've visited so far, I find that Mexico has the strongest language barrier as Mexico is large enough to maintain an internal standard of Mexican Spanish. Outside of the northern border states, you can drive two states away in Mexico and still have people speak Spanish.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

No, because these people are also highly likely to also know English and the vast, vast majority of people in any given location speak English as a default in public. Unless another language is being commonly spoken in public, it isn't even close to having entire states speak a different language.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah I hung out with a bunch of Germans who were really good English speakers but constantly were self critical of their English skills. They were beating my German skills by a landslide even at their worst moments.

[-] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 month ago

Even if you speak Thai, complaining about someone's foreign language abilities as a foreigner is rude.

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Implying the sign isn't talking about Australians who visit in the same numbers

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago

But America dumbo!

[-] CuddlyCassowary@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

And perhaps Brits and Canadians. I’m not sure about their visit numbers though.

[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago

Or anybody in europe who probably speaks english as thats the "world language"

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago

Unless they're from a primarily English speaking country, they'd be unlikely to complain though.

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I've met lots of people who seem to hold the sentiment that if THEY managed to learn English, why can't EVERYONE ELSE?

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[-] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Wait, in that case maybe complaining is a bit justified? Different of course of it's a place off the beaten path, but if it's a hotbed of English-speaking tourists then having staff that speak their language seems pretty important.

Guess it's really hard to say without more context (story of the internet).

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 26 points 1 month ago

I can't wait for us to start exploring the galaxy and giving aliens shit for not speaking English lol

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

I’m sawwry, I don’t speak ‘at squeaky squacky, beep boop shit. Why don’t you try talking like an American?! You’re in American space space!

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago

I'm American and I am continually shocked and grateful how commonly I'm catered to internationally. I mean it's not fair in a sense but also there does need to be a global language and the English happened to be the right kind of assholes to win that honor.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago

To be fair. Learning english is a must nowadays. The closest we have to an universal language.

And I say it as a non-native English speaker.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

One random thought I had about this the other day was that I feel sort of bad for the British, Irish, Americans and Australians. Well, the monolingual ones.

Anytime they go abroad, it's like "oh they didn't even bother to learn the language", but then when we who didn't grow up on English do, we've already learned at least English, so not knowing the local language is somehow more understandable. Or perhaps people don't feel that way, but it's just a thought I had. Like it feels less polite when a native English speaker just addresses someone in English in a foreign country, but if a non-English speaker asks "do you speak English" with broken English, it's much more... sympathetic.

I'm just babling nevermind me.

I do agree with you though and can't really understand people in my country who still say they can't speak English. I mean, people who still use the internet and consume media that's in English. I don't get it. Language acquisition gets worse sure, but it's never gone away from me at least. I watch one season of some show in a language I don't understand and I already start picking up the very basics. Nothing I could use, surely, but like my brain is clearly structuring and trying to make sense of the language, so with enough exposition to a language...

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 month ago

Why are people from the USA always called Americans?

[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 1 month ago

Because they're the only country with America in their name whereas United States is shared by Mexico

Also in English there's a distinction between North and South America, with the supercontinent being referred to as "The Americas", so America isn't really ambiguous, they're also geologically and environmentally distinct enough that "The Americas" isn't used so much and "New World" is often more relevant to include Australia as another somewhat culturally similar sparsely populated former colonial area.

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[-] Borger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 month ago

Same reason why people from the United Kingdom are called ‘British’, despite Northern Ireland not being in Britain.

There just aren’t better proper adjectives for these 2 countries.

While you can say ‘North American’ to mean anyone from North America and not specifically the US, I’m not sure there’s a fitting word that refers to anyone from North or South America. Although, at that point, the group of people you are talking about is perhaps too broad to be useful in most cases.

[-] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago

Same reason why people from the United Kingdom are called ‘British’, despite Northern Ireland not being in Britain.

Ireland is part of the British Isles, so you could even call people from the Republic of Ireland british (and then run away really fast).

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[-] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

And saying North America includes Canada, and I think out of respect to the Canadians they don’t wanna be lumped together with us

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Because calling anyone else an American is insulting.

[-] makyo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Why does someone always smugly point this out in these threads?

[-] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Because there's always got to be some young "boo America" edgelord contrarian that thinks they're really doing something by saying it. But really they are just an idiot in a long line of idiots who isn't saying anything at all.

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[-] atro_city@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

USAmerican, USAian, USAn, lUSA?

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[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

So here's something wild I learned.

To Canadians, when I speak French, I have a very thick American accent. However, when I speak English to Canadians, they really can't tell my accent (presumably because I live in a bordering state?).

I always respect anyone who knows just enough English to communicate something simple/frequent. Because there is no fucking way they'd understand what I was trying to say in their language.

[-] DV8@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Man that's crazy, I speak French with an undertone of a Belgian accent, but pretty close to French general accent (I know every dept has their accent, chill!), but Canadians have an extremely heavy and weird non standard accent compared to other people.

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[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not American but I also assume everyone speaks English. Other languages are cool but they're just not very useful. I've almost forgotten my native language at this point.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 13 points 1 month ago

I guess that really depends on your location

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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago

No, I don't think he spoke English.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago
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[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 points 1 month ago

Because western imperialism from English speaking countries has been around for at least 500 years and it's given lots of countries time to learn it.

But also I make sure to know how to introduce myself and ask if they speak English in basically every language I interact with as to not start with it. And then I have conversational understanding of about 7 languages.

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[-] AllOutOfBubbleGum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Man, that bugs me how many Americans are out there giving the rest of us a bad name. I don't travel, but if I did, I'd be grateful a non-native English speaker knew any English at all. And not learning enough of their language to at least get you by for the trip just sounds like poor planning in general. Some people are just incapable of looking before they leap, and for some reason a bunch of those people travel.

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[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

BECAUSE ENGLISH ALWAYS WORKS IF YOU CAN SPEAK IT LOUD ENOUGH

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[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Because most people in the Western world do speak it proficiently. As well as the more urban populations of much of Asia.

[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I personally don’t think it’s a bad thing that the world is moving closer to having a universal language, and resisting a clear and obvious trend that serves an obvious public good is simply being obstinate and anti American just for the sake of being anti American.

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[-] new_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Because we have to if they don't speak our language

[-] MadBob@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

I live in the Netherlands, where it's not the Americans assuming everyone speaks English. Sometimes it's quite bizarre too: we have this deaf, Ukrainian colleague who doesn't speak but communicates with Russian Sign Language (and whatever gestures you can think up on the spot), and it's very blatant that he doesn't speak English because he doesn't speak and can't hear, and has never written any notes in English or anything like that, but I've still caught other colleagues mouthing, or sometimes outright saying, things to him in English, as if it'd help. I remember once coming across a mute man who obviously understood Dutch, who then tried to ask someone a question, who then replied in a very "my husband is antiquair" kind of way. Otherwise it's mostly European tourists and immigrants who assume you speak English.

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

PLEASE don't COMPLAIN about my THAI at a TOURISM HOTSPOT

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