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I'd sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.

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[-] net00@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago

I still don't think he's the same guy who shot the CEO, it's clearly for me a different person in the photos...

However, at this point this changes nothing of what's going to happen, anyone caught for this would be facing the same charges. Let's hope the jury feels as we all do and lets him walk

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

4chan op has a tenuous grasp of how time and pictures work.

[-] Mambert@beehaw.org 5 points 3 hours ago

Luigi is innocent. A witness across the street stated they didn't hear gunshots at the time.

Eric's head just did that.

[-] Damage@slrpnk.net 22 points 5 hours ago

They planned evidence because they used illegal means to identify him

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

That would be a terrible idea. If they identified him using illegal means, any evidence found as a result would be inadmissible. It's fruit of the poisoned tree.

[-] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

It doesn't matter. One of the world's rulers was gunned down so they are bringing the book down on him. Anything goes.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Still more plausible than the cops saying "well fuck it he's gone" and finding a lookalike to take the fall like a day after the shooting.

[-] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 hours ago

What does everyone think they do with all their biometric and Face ID data? Throw a shitty algorithm against this data cross referencing a pic from a grainy security feed and in this post truth era, 100% of crimes are now solvable.

[-] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 12 hours ago

I was suspicious at first too, but now as weird as the whole scenario looks my skepticism has weakened (e.g. people say he's been missing from work during the shooting, the unibrow may have been simply visually deformed by the shitty camera, etc.).

But you know what, I think it's better to stop trying to be smarter than what is reasonably possible, and at the very least wait and see what he and his lawyer will have to say in the court. E.g. if the evidence was fabricated, they will certainly try to argue that. Not everything about the story will clear up, but some things can, and I say it's better to wait it out with a bit of patience.

Besides, what if it really wasn't Luigi and we've all been duped? How will the fanboys and fangirls lusting after him feel? What will the smart businessmen do with their leftover Saint Luigi candles?

[-] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I have said it once and I will say it again: I am genuinely shocked at just how many people, especially on Lemmy, are just accepting that Luigi is the real shooter. I haven't believed it for one minute and the only thing that will make me believe it is audio proof of Luigi confessing while not under duress.

[-] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Why would you think the feds want the wrong guy? Because what they want the actual killer to be roaming free.

What happens if the real killer does another hit in a few weeks? The Feds just be like erm nah this is a copycat we will get him too.

Occam's razor.

Also this post is filled with misinformation itself. There are plenty of 3D printed gun demos on YouTube where the guns don’t explode.

[-] NotBillMurray@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Also as far as I'm aware it wasn't a fully 3d printed gun, rather a 3d printed lower for a Glock. The lower doesn't have to handle anywhere near the levels of pressure that the upper does, so is unlikely to break when firing.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 4 hours ago

You don't seriously think that the feds are trying to keep America safe, do you? The feds and NYPD all need to have someone in jail so they can claim that they did a good job. They want to brag about how accomplished they are.

There is no duty to protect and serve. The police do not have to protect you, and they don't on a regular basis. I know you might have heard that growing up, but it's just not true.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

If the "real" shooter hits again, that illusion SHATTERS. It's a terrible play.

[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 29 points 12 hours ago

Personally, it seems more likely to me that he never expected to get away with it for as long as he did, didn't really have a plan beyond getting out of NYC, and went to that McDonald's to get caught.

Maybe I'm wrong, that's completely possible. But... I dunno... a lot of eyes are on this case. It would be very very dumb of the cops to manufacture a suspect with all the attention on this. Maybe they are that dumb...

[-] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 15 points 12 hours ago

Never underestimate how incompetent the American police are

[-] auzy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

You're shocked eh.

This attitude sounds very trumpy

All you know is what you heard in news reports. There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy, and we haven't heard all the evidence

Installing security systems was part of my job, and sorry, but a lot of criminals are idiots. They just assume they're going to get away with it. Or they figure they're going to get caught

We had one where some fat guy tried to climb a gate but it broke so he went through it. Then he took his hoodie off as he was stealing a camera.

Had another where the guy ran a fake school as a scam. When they investigated him, they discovered he had all of the computers, but none of them were set up. But really, the suspicious part was the Ferrari he owned

Had another guy who was the world's biggest asshole. He got busted for distributing drugs.

Then there is Trump who brags about his crimes and then pretends like he's being set up

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 hours ago

There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy...

No, yep, you're right, absolutely zero incentive. Not like there'd be a bunch of rich and powerful CEOs breathing down their neck to catch the CEO killer or anything.

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

Of course there's incentive to arrest the wrong guy, because there's incentive to arrest anybody at all, to avoid looking incompetent. This is policing 101. Round up the usual suspects and if you don't have any usual suspects, round up somebody.

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 29 points 14 hours ago

More likely he had no real semblance of getting away with it and just happened to escape due to the incompetence of the NYPD.

People who typically go through these plans are not the most mentally stable, he was probably expecting to be caught so he wrote his manifesto beforehand and thought he'd try to see how far he could get.

Most of all, he probably did not expect the authorities fail to ID him, which is also why he made it for so long.

Even the Mcdonalds employee might have reported him for other reasons like loitering or general sketchiness and not because they thought he was the shooter.

Still I think it's funny how he inadvertently proved the ease of crime with pretty basic rules. Any sort of organized crime, especially one off jobs could probably do it even more discretely and get away with it.

[-] exploitedamerican@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago

Except that manifesto sounds fake AF bootlicking cops in the first sentence? he more than likely dead man switched the one on pepmangione dot com slash manifesto

[-] the_artic_one@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Have you read up on him at all? Luigi came from a wealthy heavily Republican family and was just starting to question right-wing ideology. Having respect for the feds is absolutely in line with the person described in this article.

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The news interviewed the employee, and apparently he wasn't aware that was actually the real luigi right there. He was trying to waste the police's time on a lookalike

[-] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago

First thing in the manifesto "yeah the cops are still really cool and I like them"

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 122 points 20 hours ago

Important to note: 3D PRINTED FIREARMS DO NOT BREAK WITH A FEW USES

Firsthand knowledge.

200-250 rounds and still going strong, inspected before and after firing every time

No damage so far.

Beyond that point, I agree with everything posted.

[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

I was coming here to say this, I have an (unfinished) semi-auto 9mm carbine and its only part from a real gun is a barrel from a Glock because I didn't feel like making my own XD

[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago

Yeah, the early 3D printed guns were garbage, but modern ones are much more durable. Changes in design have allowed for the use of off-the-shelf parts for the most important moving pieces, which means you have the durability of those off-the-shelf parts instead. The 3D print is basically just holding the machined parts together.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 hours ago

it's not like homemade guns are a new thing, it's just that now we can make them not look like pipe guns from fallout 4

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[-] evidences@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago

Yeah 3d printed gun is such a misnomer for most of the "ghost guns", the gun he had was just the printed frame. That section of the 3d printing community isn't really my scene but that seems to be what I've seen for all the printed guns, lower/frame with barrel and trigger assembly being metal pieces. I think years ago I saw a modern reinterpreting of the WW2 Liberator that was done in all plastic but that's obviously designed to shoot only once.

I'm sure you know more about the scene than I do and can correct or verify my knowledge.

[-] TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

To add on to what you said, only the lower recievers for most guns have to be registered. Someone could hypothetically get every other upper part for a pistol or rifle delivered directly to their door or PO box with no questions asked, and then just hypothetically 3d print the lower reciever.

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