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This graphic and title were published by The New York Times in two articles separated by eight days.

Ukraine's Counteroffensive Has Made Progress. But It Has Much Farther to Go (2023-09-20)

How the Front Line Has Barely Moved in Ukraine this Year (2023-09-28)

spoilerThis javascript bs sure makes for shitty snapshots, but I refuse to link directly to the NYT. meow-tableflip

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[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago

anyone who thinks Ukraine has a chance at taking that all back is a fool. Also, why would they want it back? So they can keep bombing eastern Ukrainians who are ethnic Russians?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago

Ukraine itself is a little stuck though. NATO wants this war to keep going as a way to further encircle Russia. Military expenditures are up. So Ukraine can't stop because they're a NATO puppet at this point.

And even if Zelenskyy offered to cede territory he'd get assassinated by one of the Ukrainian Nazi groups and there'd be a subsequent coup. It's just a huge pointless mess.

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

Any economically poor country needs to learn that the USA and NATO will just use them. We only give actual freedom to other empires.

[-] Zodiark@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

The point is to cash out using your own country

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

I wonder if Zelenskyyy could defect to Russia lmao, seems like they'd take anybody

[-] axont@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

Yeah something like that would be pouring jet fuel onto Ukraine's Nazis. They'd be organizing around the idea of the Jewish backstabber Zelenskyy for decades.

I can only imagine those fascist scum barely tolerate him to begin with

[-] Cummunism@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

Modern Nazis are way better about optics, so they know him simply being in charge gives them the ability to say "but see our leader is Jewish, we can't Nazis!" and western dipshits will nod in agreement.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

If I remember correctly he already owns a multi-million dollar mansion in Florida lol

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago
[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Excuse you sweaty, that's Mar-A-Lenskyyy

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I did not have sexual relations with that mansion

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[-] NeelixBiederman@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

Based on the victory pics I've seen, they're mostly liberating rubble. Which is, like, sad. A tremendous waste of resources fighting a pointless war on a dying planet

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 81 points 1 year ago

The horror of war that liberals refuse to talk about. Ukrainians spent the last two years trading high explosives on every last standing piece of public infrastructure. It doesn't matter who wins this war in the end. The people of Ukraine will have lost unfathomable amounts of working capital, nevermind the entire generation of conscripts that were shoved into free fire zones or sent out to stomp on land mines.

This is the Iran-Iraq War of nightmarish bloody pointless futility.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

This is the Iran-Iraq War of nightmarish bloody pointless futility.

Finally a better comparison of what's happening...

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

When you put it that way, it's like if a restaurant closes at 7 and the war is being fought at 6:45. Like it's not going to make a difference and my shift is almost over. Why do I have to work so hard right now?

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[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

Truly achieving World War 1 levels of movement

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago

As well as WWI levels of moral pointlessness.

[-] CriticalResist8@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

I'm sure Russia could move forward in some places, but they don't need to. At this point all they need to do is win the war of attrition and keep their defensive positions (which is obviously much easier than attacking). Ukraine will come to them anyway.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For Russia's sake, I hope not. By year 4 of that war people were dying by the tens of thousands on individual ill-conceived military maneuvers. And unless Poland or Hungary enters the war on the side of Ole Vlad, there's no Western Front to take the pressure off.

[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

movement, not tactics

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

I wonder how much of an editorial battle was waged in the NYT offices about whether or not to show the Russian gains alongside the Ukrainian gains

[-] HamManBad@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

I've definitely seen a version of this map that only showed Ukrainian gains. So other papers' editorial battles must have gone differently

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Probably more CIA moles at NYT trying to blunt the Biden admin's thirst for world war three

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

critical support cia moles?

I have seen a lot more negative press coverage of the war lately, the Guardian just published some pretty damning stuff on Zelenskyy's regime and they have normally been strongly pro-Ukraine. Ukraine apparently asked western governments to do strikes on Iran and Syria to stop drones from being sent to Ukraine and put pressure on Russia elsewhere.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/videos/world-news/ukraine-planned-iran-attack-kyiv-sought-missiles-to-neutralise-kamikaze-drone-threat-details-101695877872989.html

Zelenskyy still trying to start WW3. First it was the no-fly-zone shit, then it was attacking the ZNPP constantly and saying it was Russia, then it was misfiring rockets into Poland and blaming Russia and invoking article 5. Now it's this. Ukraine is absolutely off the rails, it's a rabid dog that needs to be put down

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

looks like a feature on a weather map know as weather fronts, when it has alternating red and blue bumps like that it's called a "Stationary Front"

curious-sickle

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

We'll have an eighty percent chance of artillery shells tomorrow.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

kitty-cri-screm but Ukraine just liberated a village of 6 people with a goat mayor.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago
[-] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Greatest of all time mayor

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[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

All we need is a few more billion dollars for weapons, trust me bro.

[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

Just give us the next wunderwaffen, I swear bro. We'll get it done, bro, bro please.

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

geordi-no Ukraine's Counteroffensive Has Made Progress

geordi-yes Ukraine's Counteroffensive Has Made Up Progress

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

Man that $113 billion America has thrown at Ukraine is really paying off. Can’t think of anything else that would have been a more beneficial use of public dollars.

[-] YourHomieRobespierre@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

WW1 bros we are SO BACK

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago
[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

A lot of libs and online types don't seem to consider that this war might just drag on for years and years, killing millions, and ultimately just turn into a frozen conflict with no resolution.

[-] ChapoKrautHaus@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

While that certainly seems like what eternal Washington wants out of Ukraine, I'd rather bet on one side collapsing or retracting first.

The human burden on Ukraine has been incredible, and the economic damage on pretty much all of Europe is grave after just 18 months of conflict. Doubt this drags on for many more years.

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[-] ultraviolet@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

ukraine is surely going to win any day now

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago
[-] janny@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

love my warhammer 40k style forever war between methed out juntas

[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

0-0 Full time

Check out these field tilt graph tho

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