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[-] LongLive@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I hope this criticism is valid :
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2023/05/09/debunking_the_dunning-kruger_effect_898340.html#!
and
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2023/05/09/debunking_the_dunning-kruger_effect_898340.html#!
...
There is a "people think they are better than average" rule, rather than whatever Dunning-Kreuger suggested.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 14 points 6 hours ago

One time a woman told me that my lack of a second X Chromosome meant I would "always be a man"

So I gaslit her into thinking her husband had klinefelters.

I hate how Republicans think transphobia is science

To be fair, a Person with a PhD still can have Dunning-Kruger on other subjects.

Ben Carson is a great Neurosurgeon, but dumbass on politics.

[-] bradd@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

They can also on their subject.

[-] flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago

I guees it needs (relevant) inserted?

[-] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 30 points 9 hours ago

I think a lot of these XX XY "only two genders" people aren't just dunning Kruger, they're transphobic idiots with an agenda. So even if they had the science and knowledge it wouldn't matter because they're pushing their hateful stupid agenda, facts and logic be damned. They don't care, they just want to rationalize hating us trans people because we make them uncomfy.

[-] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

I would honestly be very surprised if any Republican politicians actually care about sex or gender. I think they're just evil and those are convenient issues to divide the working class. When you don't have popular policy in real issues, you need to make up some fake ones to get people to still support you.

[-] drthunder@midwest.social 11 points 6 hours ago

The current moral panic about queer people is definitely manufactured, but the hatred that it's stirred up is still real. All the religious psychos in power (including Speaker of the House Mike Johnson) really believe that stuff and want to enforce their hierarchy.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago

What really bothers me is that they seem to be winning on the "Trans Sports" issues which sucks, it's such a blatant distraction that I'd let them just "have that", but... you know damn well that's the floor and not the ceiling, and even then their wins are based on lies.

There are less trans athletes in the world then there are kids with measles in Texas, but the Right would have you believe ever Macho Man Randy Savage type is getting into sports and just blowing records clean away. Hence the push to "Ban transwomen and revoke their records"

What records? Even Lia Thomas, the closest they've gotten to finding an "Evil Cheating Trans!!1111" only came in 4th place....

[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 8 hours ago

Exactly. They just don't care. They're not necessarily ignorant and participating in good faith.

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[-] matlag@sh.itjust.works 26 points 9 hours ago

"Yeah but science can be proven wrong an change over time, while my beliefs and biases are forever!"

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[-] psoul@lemmy.world 34 points 12 hours ago

Can I get a T shirt that says “I have Dunning-Krueger and your Phd looks cute”? I just have a lot of BS to share and I don’t want to be sorry about it.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago

Dunning-Krueger effect is the delusion that you are smarter than a serial killer who stalks teenagers in their nightmares.

[-] miraclerandy@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago

Actually, the science says you will feel regret and will grow to resent that shirt over time. /s

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

That's because today's t-shirts are made of such poor materials.

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[-] Zzyzx@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 12 hours ago

You know how a bunch of villains are Dr. So-and-So? I bet it's dealing with morons talking about your area of expertise that leads to one's villain era.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 9 hours ago

"That's doctor Evil. I didn't spend 8 years in evil medical school to be called mister, thank you very much."

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[-] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 98 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Note how they always enshrine gender in biology, but then make all kinds of non-biological statements about what gender is.

"XX is woman"/"Large gametes is woman"/"can conceive is woman"

And then they'll say

"Women aren't as aggressive", "women are more emotional", "women like being in the home more", "those are women's clothes", etc.

The only reason it's so important for it to be biological is because of how it punishes gender non-conformity and makes the lives of trans people hell. Like it isn't ideologically consistent and they know that. They just don't care. If it was just about genitals or chromosomes, then why is it that gender dictates all these social things about us? The only reason to root gender in how you were born is to ensure gender roles are as rigid and immutable as possible.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The only reason to root gender in how you were born is to ensure gender roles are as rigid and immutable as possible.

This, this right here, that's the game, that's the whole game. They want to punish transness and then start changing what the definition of trans is.

"Your daughter was wearing pants, and said no when my boy asked her out, that's trans behavior and it's unAmerican, might have to report you to a correction agency if this shit doesn't stop."

[-] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 38 points 14 hours ago

how it punishes ~~gender~~ non-conformity

Fit the mold or die. Always the same.

[-] BalderSion@real.lemmy.fan 4 points 8 hours ago

Without a purity test how can I tell which members of the tribe are loyal and which might betray me?

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[-] frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io 129 points 17 hours ago

Confidently incorrect is the default with these people. I spend most of my time with family aggressively correcting misinformation about my field and related ones. They will die earlier thinking they know more because of Youtube. Getting them to stop taking bad health advice and mystery joint injections from a fucking chiropractor is the latest battle.

[-] vaguerant@fedia.io 83 points 17 hours ago

The impression of legitimacy enjoyed by chiropractic is too damn high. I was well into my 20s before I ever heard a single word about it being pseudoscience. Walking around (usually on people's fucking spines) calling themselves doctors, I absolutely believed it was just some sub-variety of physiotherapy, which I guess is the point. In the whole universe of alternative medicine, I think that has to be the practice which has most effectively disguised itself as conventional medicine. It's gross.

[-] Pot8o@mander.xyz 3 points 7 hours ago

In Australia they are able to request some x-rays. As in the entire spine, which ends up irradiating radio-sensitive organs like the thyroid and ovaries, often in young people. As a radiographer this shit drives me up the fucking wall, especially given the already frustrating battles over inappropriate imaging requests from real, actual doctors. Want to know a contributing factor to the increase in cancers? The absolutely absurd radiation doses people are sucking up over years of over-imaging.

[-] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 14 points 12 hours ago

I walked in to a chiropractors' office once to try and see if they'd take me for an appointment, found a brochure proudly proclaiming that chiropractic treatments can help cure autism and cancer, and turned right the fuck around and walked back out.

If you think you need a chiropractor you actually need a physical therapist and anyone trying to tell you otherwise is lying to you.

[-] psud@aussie.zone 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

One of my mates goes to a chiro. The rest of us detail for him how our problems were helped by physios and they were fixed, and stayed fixed, while he needs to see a chiro every 3 months for just exactly the same problems

He describes himself as an idiot, and I believe him. He still goes to a chiro.

Australia has high respect for chiropractic because the King likes them, and when he was a prince he was pretty influential too. No idea why it would be popular outside the Commonwealth

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[-] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 14 points 12 hours ago

I'm a bit uninformed on this; it seems fascinating. Do these things happen due to something unusual during the growth of a fetus? What's the name for this phenomenon?

[-] dondelelcaro@lemmy.world 32 points 11 hours ago

There's a bunch of them, but one more common example is Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

It's also possible to have a non-functional SRY (XY but female), or to be XX with an SRY translocation (XX but male).

Biology is complicated: pretty much anyone who says it only happens one way or is really simple is wrong.

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While this is very funny, and definitely representative of a sort of ignorance/arrogance commonly found in ideologues - I recently learned that most people talking about the effect have, in fact, been Dunning-Krugering themselves.

Insightful video on the topic.

What most people expect the effect to look like:

What the actual results were:

[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Yeah, it's really frustrating and quite ironic that pop culture keeps using this obscure scientific reference, that they don't really understand in its intended context, to describe something that really ought be plainly said: that we all have a tendency to overinflate our competence. if anything Dunning-Krueger showed that only the most seasoned experts judge themselves modestly. (and even then we'd likely only find their modesty in that particular area of expertise). it's a commentary on all of us!

But no, people name-drop this research just to dunk on people and feel smugly superior. (and I am glad I agree with the politics of the intellectual in the OP, that means it's okay and I'm a bit more competent too!) ugh. I cringe every time i read someone say Dunning-Krueger.

PS on your first image, whoever failed to put "phd student" at the trough of that curve fucked up

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[-] alykanas@slrpnk.net 22 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

How do you know if someone has a PhD.?

They tell you

Never not true

[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 27 points 11 hours ago

I mean yeah, if you spent 5 years of your life pushing the edge of human understanding on a subject, and a shithead tells you to do the science on your research subject, it's relevant lol

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 13 hours ago

I never tell people I have a PhD. It's rude, plus I don't have one.

[-] drtaco@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 hours ago

Sometimes they don't tell you and just quietly update all of their usernames...

[-] Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Right? It's really weird...

[-] xthexder@l.sw0.com 6 points 10 hours ago

Do you by chance have a PhD in food science?

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[-] ygajbm2sjcxbggbc0zfb@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago

Tbf, they kinda earned the right to brag.

[-] thevoidzero@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago

Well you don't know people with PhD that don't tell you they have one

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[-] TwistyLex@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 hours ago

Funny enough, my boss has a PhD in Evolutionary Biology. She never tells people because they start referring to her as Doctor, and she hates that. I don't think I've actually ever heard her bring it up on her own.

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 24 points 13 hours ago

This is putting confirmation bias to the extreme.

[-] Franklin@lemmy.ca 30 points 14 hours ago

True, but I do think it was warranted in this case.

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