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[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 84 points 3 days ago

Dow jumped over 2000 points. Just i-cant at this market manipulation

[-] Calmrade@hexbear.net 50 points 3 days ago

Most logical and sound system in the world

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's so fucking obvious. There's absolutely no other plausible explanation for this shit. Even if you think (correctly) that Trump is dumb as fuck and incapable of planning, people close to him are absolutely nudging him back and forth on this and cleaning up on every move. It's completely transparent.

[-] Eiren@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago

There’s absolutely no other plausible explanation for this shit.

Declare an attack on everyone, see who is coward enough to bend the knee, "reward" your loyal subjects by hitting them less hard and then "make an example" of anyone who stands defiant.

There's pump and dump going on, but this is also basic psychological abuse strategy. That's another reason for it.

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 94 points 3 days ago

So is the international-community-1international-community-2 going to just pretend this never happened? All water under the bridge?

[-] dkr567@hexbear.net 67 points 3 days ago

They shouldn't considering Trump is erratic, but like obedient pets, they most likely will pretend nothing happened.

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago

they've had almost 10 years to learn this lesson and prepare accordingly

I have big doubts on the ability of institutions across Europe and the english speaking world to consider anything further ahead than 1 fiscal quarter

[-] TheSpectreOfGay@hexbear.net 40 points 3 days ago

Eh I don't think so. Similar happened to Canada already. Even though the tariffs aren't technically on, the fact they're only "paused" rather than off the table still has a really bad economic outcome

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago

Nothing ever happens stock is going UP UP UP

[-] Ideonek@lemm.ee 31 points 3 days ago
[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 89 points 3 days ago

to-the-moon the insiders made a stupid amount of money on this, in both directions.

Deeply unserious economic system

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 60 points 3 days ago

"Thank you for your attention to this matter."

Manager Trump lmao wtf....

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago

r/wallstreetbets guys caught holding the bag yet again because they were all going in on puts/shorting the S&P and mistimed JDPON Don's latest flipflop

bass boosted windows xp shutdown noise plays eternally

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago

i know a lot of people have said it, but it's still so funny that the last vestiges of american capitalist hegemony are so absorbed by the mythos that the only thing left to do is perform pump & dumps on themselves

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 58 points 3 days ago

damn the higher the China one goes, the more fucked apple stock is, right?

among others to be sure, but my understanding is apple is the big boy at the table, losing the most by percentage and total volume.

I want to see a $10,000 iPhone and the person who buys one.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

with some shenanigans of india manufacturing shipped to usa, while the rest of the world gets chinese, they could deal with it (even if we take working assumption that iphone cost 300 bucks, mix of 300 and 600 bucks (non-tariffed and tariffed respectively) iphones, apple can absorb or dump the difference on consumers with 10% price increase and keep margins)

[-] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 21 points 3 days ago

He didn't "blink". He did a Dump & Pump scam. He and his wealthy buddies shorted a bunch of stock, then he announced tariffs and crashed the market. Anyone with short positions in advance of the crash made serious bank. Then he and his friends bought a bunch of stock at reduced price right before Trump announced a 90 day pause which pushed the market back up. Insider trading.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 54 points 3 days ago

He’s keeping the tariffs on China though

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago

Increasing them even, lmao

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[-] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 49 points 3 days ago

So i should have bought the dip

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the Casandra curse of Marxism evaporates upon the personal entanglement with any large financial body

The market looks predictable at a spectator's distance, like plotting the orbit of a celestial body. As soon as you actually go there, you realize there's all this weather hidden behind those clean gravitational calculations.

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[-] MizuTama@hexbear.net 42 points 3 days ago

Puts on the US. Massive bull trap ahead 🫡

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 40 points 3 days ago

This guys are just inside trading & making trillions, why else would you re-reverse this shit so many times.

[-] GnastyGnuts@hexbear.net 44 points 3 days ago

The tariff on-off back-and-forth crap is too annoying to bother following any more.

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[-] Xenomorph@hexbear.net 42 points 3 days ago

WEAK SUBMISSIVE Trump gets SLAMMED by HARD China TARIFFS

[-] darkcalling@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It wasn't paused on China. This is just phase 2. Nothing has gone substantially wrong for the US plan.

I plead with you stop buying the circus in front of your eyes and look at the bigger, deeper picture.

IF Trump was rattled by China's retaliation he would include them in the pause and pretend it had nothing to do with them, he'd attempt to play it off as a global thing so as to not given undue impression of power on China's part. That he hasn't tells you he doesn't care.

The point of this was never hurting say India. It was always about China, other nations were included to disguise this fact and to shake them down because why not. Also to pressure them to bring them into the fold for the next phase.

But the fact that China's tariffs were increased, not removed tells you all you need to know. Namely they are absolutely dead serious about decoupling from China. I cannot crow about this enough given how many people in left online spaces have for years dismissed as impossible, absurd, ridiculous the idea of decoupling from China. I'm not happy about it but the US certainly seems to be pushing for a bifurcated world, one camp under their control, another camp for China.

India is not going to help China, they're a reactionary/fascist nation actively trying to ~~stab China in the back~~ weaken China and take their industry and courting the US for a trade deal which the US will give them in exchange for helping move important (iphone, etc) manufacturing from China to India for the US. China is courting them anyways in public but it won't work. The only real allies China has in this are likely to be Vietnam (maybe, US is trying to peel them from China and stoke division and these moves were going to badly hurt Vietnam but were pulled back), DPRK, Russia. The US likes those odds. The US feels it can deal with an isolated bloc of those countries and Trump feels he can maybe peel Russia away with time.

China made a call and Trump seized on them trying to stand fast and rally the world to them to fight the US by giving everyone else a reprieve and thus no reason to stand with China while he leaves them isolated and alone. They can't back down now so in a way I think Trump has them where he wants them. Namely standing alone, with the rest of the world negotiating with the US on terms which will doubtless include measures to pull them into the US orbit and away from China's orbit in exchange for tariff relief.

I don't disagree with China's call but they may have walked right into a trap of certain intent and design by the US. To be fair they didn't have any great choices. If they just bowed their heads and pleaded on their knees things would also be bad for them. I've heard that Trump admin has been refusing meetings with envoys and so Trump and co are lying about China not trying to negotiate, it's just a lie they're pushing while they refuse to listen or treat with China so they can justify all of this and cast China as the belligerent aggressor who doesn't want to be fair.

It's about isolating China. It's about creating economic interests and incentives that isolate China and I think its working at least at this stage. The pause will cause most countries to come and negotiate and most will be given relief for token concessions which Trump will trumpet as big deals and big wins. The US may indeed be intent on devaluing their currency to make exports competitive but as part of this they have to isolate China, they have to smash Chinese industry and competitiveness and look what we have? China standing alone against the US, calling out to other nations who even now slink away from it leaving it alone because no one else wants this fight, they all want to take the out because the US is still too strong.

China needs to use what strength it has to really hit the US.

Though I worry it doesn't matter. I worry they've built into their plans a hope that tariffs can continue to spiral out of control, that Chinese goods become unaffordable, that the economy crashes, that supply chains are forcibly rerouted and there are years of shortages but that they achieve a quick, fast, if painful decoupling from China leaving them free to isolate, sanction, blockade, and attempt to destroy China using their navy, their control of global finances to sanction and make trade with China for third party nations impossibly expensive or painful, and so on and use this to crush Chinese industry and economy, to break up the belt and road, to re-enslave the global south that China was trying to free with better loan and development terms. If that's the case and capital doesn't revolt and I think there's a very good chance it doesn't as at least tech capital seems to be standing with Trump and can always be bought off with specific exemptions for say Apple to import x amount per year not subject to tariffs then China has a hell of a fight ahead of them.

[-] gueybana@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

India is not going to help China, they're a reactionary/fascist nation actively trying to stab China in the back and take their industry and courting the US for a trade deal which the US will give them in exchange for helping move important (iphone, etc) manufacturing from China to India for the US.

The great India understanders on this site have logged on.

Amazing how the political knowledge about the world’s most populous nation always just boils down to some racist drivel about the place you can find on x

But I agree with the rest of your post

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 days ago

It was always about China, other nations were included to disguise this fact

This doesn't really make any sense.

He doesn't need to disguise anything. He could have just targeted China from the beginning, there wasn't a point in trying to "disguise" it.

He's definitely targeting China, no question about it, but I think this was an insider trading scam. Trump and an inner circle make trades before he announces the tariffs and then make more trades before he cancels it.

If anything, he's using China as a smokescreen to cover up the insider trades.

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[-] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago

Ah my profits porky-happy

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago

Wtf does "lack of respect to world markets" even mean? They retaliated towards the US's fascist sabre rattling?

[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago

Booooo, i wanted things to happen

[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago

Up to 90 more days of having an economy che-poggers

[-] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago

EU announced counter tariffs today. I wonder if the trade war will continue there too

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 3 days ago

Is the tariff pause applicable to China too? This pos is so incoherent.

[-] Leegh@hexbear.net 40 points 3 days ago

According to The Guardian live feed the (now 125%) tariffs will not be paused on China.

[-] Clippy@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i was watching hasanabi and he was explain that yanis was right, that trump is following some plan of devaluing the us dollar so other nations can afford to purchase us goods

edit this plan

[-] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

fuck yeah devalue my dollar, can't wait to pay off my student loans

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 days ago

Oh that doesn’t mean your wages will go up, just that your quality of living will go down

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[-] 2812481591@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago

Is the 10% still going to destroy the economy?

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

merely fucked somewhat kitty-birthday-sad

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I hope the damage already done is enough to balkanize the US in the near future

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[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 15 points 3 days ago

Bend the knee, still get tariff by 10%

[-] Civility@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago
[-] jUzzo6@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago

In this brouhaha everyone forgot that Trump successfully established 10% tariffs for most countries, and everyone seems to be happy bcs “is not 25-30-42% we were originally threatened with”

[-] tombruzzo@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

Really burying the lede on the point of this post Donny boy

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