you raise good points and all but have you considered that being in a secretive org with black cat mascots meeting at midnight to plot seizing power sounds cool af?
No one is having those and that's the problem.
we're having them you're just not cool enough
I'm no5 gonna become cooler by not joining secret midnight plotters
I get it. Worked graveyards. Literally couldn't do shit besides self-study and struggling to make it through mandatory meetings awake.
Honestly a difficult topic to tackle.
My college years were spent working until midnight at a food service job, then I got away from it for about ten years, then while working a ~9-5 I got a second job delivering pizzas in the evening. That shift of workers invited me for drinks after close, but I always had to decline because I had responsibilities to get back to and delivery was just extra money. Still, your point stands that a huge part of the workforce that maintains this way of life doesn't get to participate in business hours. It's one thing I like about my town because it has a lot of "food handlers happy hours" on Mon-Tue or during late hours
The happy hours thing is nice but also drinking is the one thing that is easily available at night anyway. Other people get to socialize in ways that aren't partying.
I feel you comrade. I’ve worked the night and day shift of a few jobs. Being nightshift is basically a second class for all. Nothing in the way society is structured accounts for us.
God forbid anyone do so.ethong after 10pm
Even 6pm sucks for day shifter. It cuts close to a 5pm shift close, and a lot of workers have shifts that end at like 530
honestly is a good idea.
my last good job was one that always ended around midnight, give or take (being a prep cook and dish washer meant i was among the last to leave)
I also used to do 10p-6a at a gas station in the Before Times, and I hated every minute of it. My sleep hours were where other people were awake. I had nothing to do when I was awake off work. I just slept, and ate, and did laundry and necessity work at home, then i'd go to work.
I know there are folks eating that shit every night ready to do something about it, and they've got no options because if you ever wanna tell a 10p-6a worker to just wake up and do daylight/evening shit, you're gonna get screamed at.
Just shit to do after work would be nice, political or otherwise thst isn't a bar. And even those close at 2
i worked 3rd shift at an ISP many many years ago.. while i learned a ton because I had so much time to dig into stuff, i was an absolute wreck otherwise.. my life was about either sleeping or socializing if i wasn't working, but never getting to do both
Same thing with weekend workers. It's only due to accelerating conditions that I can finally do some praxis on weekdays.
I am a cook so yeah, I do both.
I'm glad I finally do just one of the two. It seems a needless cruelty on a worker, imo. My spry years were spent doing a lot of solitary stuff because of all my weekend nights being spent cramming food in peoples' holes.
I did catering and had weekends off when I was younger and am sick of punks and punk shows and dunno what else to do on weekends now so it's fine and I'm a natural extreme night owl. 5am to 1pm sleep is my favorite schedule. But there's no where to go.
I focus on weekends for the significant pay increase, but yeah socialising doesn't super work with people who have a normal job. I was asked the next time I have a free weekend and its like.. never? When I change jobs?
Plus side is 3-4 days a week covers all of my living expenses because weekends pay a ton.
This is absolutely true. Night shifter here. There needs to be more things to do at night too!
Orgs just need to take minutes at meetings and release them to the members after the meeting so those that couldn't attend, can still follow what the org is doing.
that's good but it's insufficient and still denies the chance for input, which could be accommodated in a variety of ways including a meeting at late o'clock once in a while
Here's my main thing, I used to be a night owl, and would be frustrated by how things would shut down even in the big city I live in, when I was still wanting to go out and do stuff.
Then I got old. Real old. Now, I'm tucked into bed at 11pm.
I also organized meetups and group stuff back in the day and the rule of thumb was that you'd get around 20% of RSVPs to show up. So you'd get 100 RSVPs and 20 would show up.
I had a political group that would happen every week on Tuesday, and yes it was all 9-5 workers, but we'd all be done and out by like 9pm, and this was at a bar during a weeknight.
So I'm just being realistic that it's hard to do in person organizing for "normal" hours.
I mean honestly if you want a group that works for these late shift, you probably need to organize your workplace, but I didn't want to open with that reply because it's a bit glib
Meetings at my org are mostly at 8pm because that's how we usually vote for them. How does it look in bigger orgs, don't you have any input on when the meetings are happening?
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