Sadly any substances related to showering are percieved as dangerous by the stereotypical reddit mod. :D
This is the best comment I read all year. Thank you for the laughs.
Hi-ooooo!
Oof even all the way on Reddit they had to have felt that burn lmao
Watch out. They might send an bitcoin assassin after you. One who could run you over with a mobility scooter or stab you with an insulin pen.
It's all just bots masturbating other bots over there.
30 years ago I expected this, but thought it was going to be sexier.
The future fucking blows.
If you have ever posted something vaguely critical of Trump, Elmo or nazis in another sub, then you may well have bots automatically remove your posts and comments on other subs
It turns out that there are plenty of people who are perfectly OK with nazis across many subreddits out there
Reddit has gone to shit
I wasn’t vaguely critical, but very clearly critical. Although I doubt it had an effect on r/ fragrance, but who knows…
You'd be surprised...
It's definitely that. I have had the "honor" of being IP banned for over a year. Any accounts associated with my ip (and there were quite a few) were nuked. I never posted anything worse than run of the mill criticism like I do here on Lemmy but I never kissed any mods' rings either.
Given the trend of recent posts in here. I'm going to guess that the word "toxic" triggered the automod.
I actually think you may be onto something.
On fragrange, zerowaste and sustainability.
/r/soapmaking might have some advice. There is a lemmy equivalent !soapmaking@sh.itjust.works but it doesn't look very active.
The post got deleted by mods in a manner of minutes.
I've always struggled with Reddit's arcane rules. I rarely know why my stuff is deleted. shrugs I don't really post there anymore, just lurk.
could you use embedded flower petals?
I could, but I need to check whether this is a perfectly safe option since the aim is fragrance and zero toxicity to water life. I didn’t consider this option before, so thank you.
Organisms have incredibly complex biochemical makeup. Flowers will contain minute levels of formaldehyde and other toxic compounds. If there is no floor on what it takes to be "toxic," then only 100% purified chemical compounds could be included.
It would be better to determine what "safe" levels are based on regulatory body recommendations and then try to stay under those.
I admit I was taken aback by the certifications provided by pure oils. I will talk about it with a few labs and see if perhaps things could work. Although I still would have preferred to go with something 100 percent safe.
Even a large volume of water can be toxic to humans. I learned this by playing The Sims.
When it comes to toxicity to water life you have to think of the dose. If a rose bush sheds a few petals and it falls to a lake will anything bad happen to the life in the lake? No absolutely not. That happens naturally. The petals will quickly decompose and become nutrients that will feed the ecosystem in the lake. However if someone would drop a dozen truckloads of petals in the lake then that would be way too much organic matter for the ecosystem in the lake to handle. But some shower gel is never gonna come close to that. It's more gonna be on the magnitude of the bush shedding some petals naturally in the lake. Same with the essential oil. Concentrated essential oil can be quite toxic to both human and other life. But in dilution it's something else completely. A natural rose bush will evaporate tonnes of essential oil straight into the air during its whole life time and nothing takes damage from it. That's why you can smell a rose plant when standing next to it. Dilution is sometimes actually the solution. A single drop of essential oil into the sewer drain once a day would not cause any negative effect at all when it's diluted with tonnes of shower, toilet, sink and even industrial waste water. Diluted it won't damage any life, especially since essential oils are biodegradable.
Also think what else gets down into the sewer. In most places your toilet and your shower are connected to the same system. The poop you put in your toilet is multiple magnitudes worse than anything you could use while showering. If your waste water treatment plant can't even treat the poo then you have bigger problems then anything you could put into your shower gel. If it's good enough to treat poo however then it's good enough to treat whatever's in your shower gel.
I admit I got quite a bit worked up with the constant greenwashing found everywhere and got a bit paranoid about contributing to the problem. I will have to talk a bit more with some specialists from the labs that I will be collaborating with (hopefully they won’t tell me what I want to hear, but be honest) and perhaps I find a solution. If all fails, then fragrance free it is..
I second this—you can distill your own rose water from flowers. I’m sure you can find flowers to ethically source that would be quality for this purpose.
Edit: oh I see you said rose water is toxic to marine life? That’s unfortunate
If it is any consolation -- It was most likely a robot.
Like 99% of large reddits are almost entirely moderated by a modbot, and the modbot is stupider than your average LLM assistant (and LLM assistants aren't very smart), while also being extremely strict.
In general, Reddit has made the move that all big name old social media have made (except maybe like Snapchat? I can’t think of any other exceptions) and kowtowed to corporate advertiser money, rightwing misinformation and bigotry, and the egos of oligarchs such as Elon Musk. This is essentially done to make the fat cats in the corporation richer.
I was able to find your deleted Reddit post [EDIT: understanding now that you were referring to posts across multiple subs]. My best good faith guess [for r/frangrance] is that the mods may have considered it to be within the scope of the “No medical advice or health questions” sub rule? Navigating to even find the sub rules was difficult since the mods have attached them via a link that immediately redirects to an account sign-up page. My workaround to even read the rules was to copy the link and change the “www” to “old” and it worked.
[EDIT, continued: For r/zerowaste, the only good faith issue I can see — and it’s a stretch — is the verb tense of “[Crafting] Posts must be something that you have made yourself.” Since you haven’t yet made the fragrance in full, maybe they don’t allow WIPs or for others to help with WIPs?
I don’t see anything with r/sustainability’s rules that would apply. They do have a “No Surveys” rule but there are other posts that do solicit input and advice, so that apparently doesn’t apply to your post.]
You might find Lemmings who are happy to help with your fragrance situation on any of these communities:
https://lemmy.world/c/askscience
I suppose this could be the case , although a strange decision to limit the discussion only on the smell aspect. You should be able to talk about ingredients. Anyway, like I said, il stick around here more. Thank you for the links, I will definitely check them out.
The fact that the larger the subreddits get more picky they are about posts isn't a new problem, but it has apparently gotten a lot worse in last few years. Apparently a lot of subreddits now have automoderator rules that just nuke posts based on karma or "contributor quality", whatever the hell that means.
But at the same time, some of the default subs' most prolific posts are bot reposts ad infinitum. Those never seem to get nuked even though it's crystal clear they're bot accounts...
Just fyi, most people came here to get rid of reddit. There are a few communities that revolve around reddit for those with nostalgia. Might be the best plae to ask as much as this community is about asking questions.
Subs be deleting shit left and right lately, it's becoming unusable
Lot of it is bots, but lot of it is also shit mods. And lazy mods letting the bot do shit without any review.
I have no idea about the gel part, but you can make liquid soap with just vegetable oils and potassium hydroxide lye. There's lots of recipes online.
Reddit is being moderated by an AI now
Reddit Answers AI farming for content
I had a post deleted the other day with no mod messages or anything just for saying China should put an export tax on phones to the US.
Reddits pretty ridiculous for discussing any serious topics really.
I am pretty sure your best bet to get something that is roses scented but is non-toxic would be creating a tincture vegetable glycerin with roses. Take dried rose pedals and let them sit in the sun for 4-6 weeks immersed in vegetable glycerin which should impart roses smells and other rose components into the vegetable glycerin. I haven't done it myself but it is suppose to do some extractions of the compounds.
You will be extracting the essential oils and all other compounds from the rose pedals into the glycerin but in lower concentrations than a pure essential oil. (Also depending on the essential oil will have a broader range of compounds depending on how they made it)
Make sure to use roses that are not treated with pesticides and fertilizers.
I feel like it's always been like that. Did the mods give you a reason for removing your post?
No. I just got the removed by mods message.
Just use some slightly dirty sea water. It will smell like you were just at the beach. You can call it "the beach".
Would a drop of Bulgarian rose oil not work?
EDIT: By this I mean the legitimate stuff made by hand in the countryside, not the chemically extracted stuff. It is extremely strong.
I am very fond of the Bulgarian oil. I actually have a rose garden filled with damask roses myself. But it seems that if poured in water it can damage the plants and fishes.. I wasn’t even aware of it until very recently.
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