source for the suicide stat: https://www.statista.com/statistics/187478/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-by-gender-since-1950/
So the suicide rate for both genders actually significantly dropped right after 1970. Wonder what's that about?
They won't give a shit about female suicide.
Point out homicide of male partners dropped 70% and you may get their self-involved attention
This is kind of a bullshit statistic.
Female suicides for women have always been low, so the per 100k can vary a bit. In 1970 it was 7.4 per 100k and by 1980 it had dropped to 5.7 per 100k. However, in 1950 and 1960 it was 5.6 per 100k.
So really the "drop" was due to a single high decade of suicides before going back to the average that it had been at. The drop in suicides after the 1970's was really still a slightly higher rate than the 50s and 60s.
Also, men commit suicide roughly four to five times more often than women.
Far higher social stigmas and family pressure likely led to fewer deaths being ruled suicide in the 1950s as compared to today but of course there can be no data on this fact, just anecdotes.
Anecdotal and a lack of causation. Saying suicides in women dropped after getting no fault divorce after the 70's is no more a causational fact than saying female suicide rates dropped after the 70's due to Billy Joel releasing his hit single My Life in 1979
Statistics on women's health from the 50s is probably as reliable as using a Billy Joel song.
What was the photo?
Of course it is. Now a days they catch so much shit for trying to rape their wives that they just want it to go back to a time where it was okay to be a POS.
Ron Howard: "It was."
The Good Old Days they always refer to is the world where Adult White Christian Males get to rule the world, do whatever they want, say whatever they want, everyone is subservient to them and every other race, religion, identity, minority and female is below them.
I wish they were honest about their selfishness, at least it’s logically consistent. I’ll take that over their cult like thinking.
Suicides in women in the 1950s and 1960s were actually lower than what they were in the 1980's, so this is a bullshit comparison tweet, where the 1970s happened to have the highest rate and the tweeter is putting a causation to the numbers that may not even have direct causation. I could just as easily claim that vehicle fuel economy improving during the 70's caused a decrease in female suicides.
Female suicides hit its lowest at around 2000 before trending upwards again.
While I can't necessarily disagree with your correlation≠causation argument...
I could just as easily claim that vehicle fuel economy improving during the 70's caused a decrease in female suicides.
Better gas mileage probably contributed a more than zero amount to that decrease.
You could very well be right, but it's just impossible to control for such variables, so we can't say one way or the other with a degree of certainty. Especially considering that a 20% swing in numbers consists of a mere 1 or 2 people per 100,000 difference.
Mild fascism was always "okay" in colonial-settler history. It was only when the Nazis went full fascist and started attacking other Europeans for either not buying into their world view or for having impure Slavic or Mediterranean blood did shit hit the fan.
For many of these regressionists, going back hinges on the ascension of neo Nazism.
Women weren't allowed to open a bank account in the states until the 70's
There is a good chance grandma didn't leave grandpa because she literally couldn't
Yeah, stop spreading this misinformation. The Credit Act of 1974 made it illegal to discriminate in banking and credit but there was nothing preventing women from having bank accounts before 1974.
1862 California passed a law allowing women to open their own bank accounts without a male signature.
My grandmother and mother both had bank accounts in the 60s in their names, along with home mortgage and business accounts, with no other signatures other than their own.
there was nothing preventing women from having bank accounts before 1974.
Depending on which banks were available in her area, she may still have been unable to open a credit card despite it being legal to do so. Prior to 1974, it was legal for banks to require a man’s signature for a woman to open a credit card, and many banks chose to require this. According to this article from the Smithsonian Magazine, some banks also applied a 50% reduction to womens’ wages when calculating the credit card limit for an applicant.
I agree that the facts are very frequently misrepresented.
Ignores? No, my friend. They're completely aware and are fine with it.
More than fine. It's the goal.
The kind of people who want to end no fault divorce don't actually care about female suicide.
Warn them that men's life expectancy dramatically increased due to no fault divorce. Because a woman trapped in a bad marriage kills her husband.
So I'm an older lady, and when I was young, I was told many interesting things by women who were quite old (at the time.)
My mother's family is from Siciliy.
Anyway all I'm saying is this sort of thing happened a lot, and if necessary, it will happen again.
Coincidentally, I'm almost 40 and have never married... but I haven't been single in many, many years. Those stories will stick with ya, and there's no need for divorce where there's no marriage.
Till death do us part.
Why are looking at me like that!?
If the husband is MAGA, then why the fuck not?
Maybe?
Don't forget the number women who poisoned abusive men, but law enforcement and medical examiners quietly pretended it was natural causes
Let's bring that back
Thank you for this additional piece of background, dear FistingEnthusiast.
Fine but only if we can bring back the 90% top tax bracket too
Yes please
"For rats."
In short, this is some BS tweet (and blatant propaganda) that seemingly has no actual science backing it.
Firstly, no source was provided to back up his claim about female suicide rates. The Statista link from this comment suggests that he is talking out of his ass.
Secondly, that alone would not have been enough to establish a causative relation (no fault divorce => less female suicides). Because correlation does not equal causation.
Soon: "Nazis didn't care about minorities🤯"
Oh shoot, the GOP left some data laying around. Don’t worry. They will begin deleting such facts immediately.
"Look how low divorce rates were. Great success!"
Gilead theme music intensifies
For some that is almost explicitly the goal. They advocate against no-fault divorce which will, by is very nature, keep more women in dangerous marriages and increase physical and sexual abuse of women. In the 1950s, women were rarely seen as hirable and that kept them financially dependent on men. Today we don't just let women work, it's a necessity for basically everyone. But while we have made sure women (and men) can still independently with programs like SNAP and medicaid, those same people advocating against no-fault divorce also want to weaken or eliminate those programs. The end result of that will mean that basic survival will require, at minimum, two-earner homes. This will further tie women to abusive husbands even if they could justify an at-fault divorce, because they may be choosing between physical/sexual abuse and being able to feed, cloth and house themselves (and their children). This will also naturally increase suicide rates among women. So... those goals are indirectly GOP platform policies.
Maybe?
IIRC women couldn’t get a credit card into the 70’s. Crazy.
Edit: couldn’t
Women could not build individual credit until the 1974 Equal Credit Opportunity Act (ECOA). They needed a male cosigner to have a credit card prior to this.
The Fair Credit Reporting Act of 1970 expanded credit card access for minorities. Systemic credit reporting inaccuracies disproportionately impacted them prior to this with Black/Hispanic neighborhoods having 2-3x more credit disputes than white areas.
There's a reason some of the anti-inclusive members of our society want to go back to a time of lower competitiveness. Unfair advantages allowed the few to have an easier life at the expense of the many.
You dropped this:
n't
I did, you’re right…let’s edit. Thanks
It's one of their goals, yes
Of course that is exactly their goal. It's not like they're trying to hide it.
People tweeting stuff. We allow tweets from anyone.
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