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Simpsons did it!
I was going to comment that OPs meme sums up db0 really well, but this one does that even better.
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One thing the right is good at doing is falling in line, no matter that the agenda being pushed.
That's mostly due to the rights belief in hierarchy. It doesn't matter if the person above you has different views than you if you believe their right simply because they're higher up the pecking order.
One thing I've always wondered, who/what decides their hierarchy?
Thry guy who finds himself on top determines the hierarchy until someone supplants him ny whatever means.
Money
Yeah the flaws of leftists is understanding what they are voting for and not operating purely on loyalty.
This seems like sarcasm, which is valid, but what you said is also absolutely true. The primary virtue of the left is also its biggest weakness when it comes to implementation.
Gotta maintain that rigid tribal culture so it supports whoever steals the leadership role!
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The right opposes free thought and favors conformity to support the privileged few.
The left favors free thought and opposes conformity, because that would impede social progress.
Yeah, I wonder why one of those groups is likely to have public arguments.
Not necessarily. Some leftists demand conformity in beliefs. "If you don't believe XYZ, you're a shill/neoliberal/fascist etc."
I feel like favoring free thought and opposing conformity leads to arguments, but demanding conformity leads to enemies (like this meme).
Some of the most authoritarian people I come into contact with on any kind of regular basis are “leftists” on Lemmy.
The ones in real life are not like that. I feel like Reddit’s moderation model really encourages it, and some of them started really taking it to heart when they came to Lemmy which copied that same model.
The problem is not public arguments, but groups rejecting other groups for ideological reasons. I personally know people who are like "you can be a communist, or you can be wrong".
The reality is that there are left groups, especially far-left groups, who will already dismiss your opinion on everything for not categorically rejecting a (social) markets economy. Doesn't matter if you agree in all other points.
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The right is also driven by fear and hate. It’s easier to get coordination and conformity that way.
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tale as old as time
I didn't see this film until the 2010s, and I couldn't believe how accurately it lampooned my local scene.
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Look what they did to my boi.
I don't hate most leftists (or even non-leftists for that matter). I hate the kind that hate other leftists. The lemmy.ml tankies always complain that people who disagree with them are splitting the left, when they're the ones calling everybody who vaguely disagrees with them a liberal. Not purely an ML thing though, there's plenty of this kind of person in all camps.
I think lacking self awareness is a requirement to be a tankie
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I made this for a comment (about small-data images, jpegs) days ago:
this whole platform be like:
I was recently banned for being "transphobic" for telling people what far right people believe about trans people, in the third person because I'm not far right nor have I ever been.
I've been pro-trans rights (AKA human rights) since I knew what the word "transgender" meant, which is going on twenty years or so now?
Lemmy has a REALLY bad problem with people who dont actually read comments and process them. They skim read the post, see a few keywords and then argue the point that they want to argue regardless of what the original comment was.
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I fucking hate this dynamic
Nobody is left enough for anyone else on the left. You agree with me on an issue but differ on execution? You may as well be Trump!
I have never met a leftist I didn't like
but I only consider somebody a leftist if they respect human rights.
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There are inherently more ways to imagine changes than to point at the status quo.
This meme reminded me of all the different flavours of Christianity.
If there's an actual debate you've got to define terms. People's definitions of 'leftist' can be pretty wild, especially if the debate is between an American and... mostly anyone outside America.
I have seen people waxing poetic about Imperial Japan and the Jakarta Method who consider themselves leftist, while at the same time associate outright NazBols with the left.
So 'what do you actually mean by tankie/liberal?' will usually cut through a lot of debate perv noise.
And people love the no true Scotsman fallacy and constantly throw out that the person isn’t really this or that
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I would like more unity with people who share alignment with me. Except for anyone who has a slightly different opinion than me on certain issues, screw those people.
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