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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.
Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[-] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 69 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Thoughts and prayers for the Microsoft building

source

::: spoiler spoiler


it apparently did not hit the building itself according to marmite, but still a sick ass photo ngl

[-] blame@hexbear.net 38 points 18 hours ago

bunch of datacenters in israel, i was wondering if theyd start hitting those

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 29 points 18 hours ago

Was a hit near an apartment building nearby, not on the Microsoft building. The big fire is from all the cars (filled with fuel) parked outside the apartment building catching fire after taking a direct hit from the missile.

[-] whatdoiputhere12@hexbear.net 25 points 18 hours ago

shut up I wanna believe they hit the Microsoft building, plus the photo is sick af to look at

[-] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 28 points 18 hours ago

Windows blown out

[-] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 25 points 18 hours ago

Copilot is this true?

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[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 53 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Looks like a single missile was fired, detected very late and impacted directly. First warning to impact was 2-3 minutes. Guess Israel was expecting a build up for a larger scale attack, and missed the launch of a singular missile, likely from a launcher dispersed somewhere. New tactic maybe, singular launches to try avoid detection?

Impact crater and damage to an apartment building. Looks like most of the damage to the building was done by the cars catching on fire from the missile hitting them, and the missile didn't hit the building directly.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 46 points 18 hours ago

First warning to impact was 2-3 minutes. Guess Israel was expecting a build up for a larger scale attack, and missed the launch of a singular missile,

This is interesting if only because I had believed the US intelligence would be capable of recognising a missile launch anywhere in the country at the moment of launch. Clearly that is false.

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 30 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

They usually are with their infrared early warning satellites. Those usually detect the missile as it's launched, the "Space Force" does that. There was a good article on it that I posted a few weeks ago. But no system is 100%. This one managed to slip through.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/iran-golden-dome-us-missile-defense/

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 28 points 16 hours ago

Slipped through the entire distance up until 3minutes out is quite a large slip.

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[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 78 points 19 hours ago

On Channel 13, an Israeli commentator joked about war with Turkey.

Stupidest move Israel could make.

[-] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 60 points 19 hours ago

Israel being leveled because they attack a NATO member and Article V gets invoked against them would be so funny

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 72 points 19 hours ago

Or Article 5 gets invoked, but several NATO member states choose to ignore it and side with Israel, and then NATO either dissolves or membership becomes more worthless than the paper its printed on.

[-] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 8 points 13 hours ago

Putin, telling Erdogan he can have a little more syria as a treat: trust da plan

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 49 points 19 hours ago

Honestly I'd be happy either way

Best case scenario is the dissolution of both pissrael and nato of course

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 33 points 19 hours ago

The end of NATO will probably lead to some kind of European Alliance and deepen the split between the US and Europe that seems to be taking place.

[-] BanSwitch2Buyers@hexbear.net 23 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Maybe, but Germany and UK are definitely siding with Israel against Turkey which isn't as clean of a break as if it was just US/Canada + Israel vs. European NATO countries or something.

I don't think EU members are happy with Turkey because they keep threatening to send refugees to Europe periodically for the past 2 decades

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[-] da_gay_pussy_eatah@hexbear.net 40 points 19 hours ago

Imagine getting put into a position of critical support for NATO

[-] sempersigh@hexbear.net 35 points 19 hours ago

Turkey announces war with israel while erdogan somehow secretly supports israel behind the scenes anyway lol

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 33 points 19 hours ago

Even without NATO Turkey could stomp Israel lmfao

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[-] Thorngraff_Ironbeard@hexbear.net 36 points 18 hours ago

Victim of Yanqui Imperialism

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[-] larrikin99@hexbear.net 49 points 18 hours ago

what are the pros and cons of an Iranian preemptive strike? for what legality is worth, the hostile positioning of US assets within the theater with the openly stated purpose of a pending decision to attack clearly constitutes an act of aggression. What about the middle path of threatening preemption by giving the US an ultimatum to stop hostile deployments else Iran will decide whether a strike is warranted?

[-] iie@hexbear.net 28 points 17 hours ago

I feel like both of those options would shift US public opinion toward war

[-] replaceable@hexbear.net 11 points 14 hours ago

There is no point in caring about US public opinion, US state doesnt need their support to carry out wars

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[-] Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net 54 points 19 hours ago

AJ live right now showing videos of Iran hitting a microsoft hq in the zionist regime!

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[-] ffmpreg@hexbear.net 50 points 19 hours ago

chat is this true? someone get the apology form

[-] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 41 points 18 hours ago

Why are his old tweets formatted like this? Its strange but endearing.

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 48 points 18 hours ago

Lowwr character limit back then

I guess he was trying to be hip

[-] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 26 points 18 hours ago

May Allah swt prolong his life

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[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 71 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

A month ago, I posted about the China-Iran rail corridor being put into operation. As part of the Silk Road Railway, this corridor not only further integrates Iran into the Belt and Road Initiative, but also allows them to export oil to China, and for China to export goods to Europe while having the ability to bypass US Navy blockades. I'd imagine this would have set off alarm bells in the US, as they've been clear about wanting to control shipping routes in their efforts to contain China.

Some people on here were convinced that with this new rail corridor in operation, the next US action would take place in either Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, or Uzbekistan, which are all situated along this railway. What if they decided that with this new development, they couldn't wait any longer, and chose to accelerate their regime change plans for Iran instead?

In March, US intelligence agencies openly admitted that Iran was not building a nuclear weapon, and right up until the moment this rail corridor was put into operation in May, Trump seemed to concur. Now Trump is claiming the total opposite, that Iran has been building nuclear weapons, and that any prior intelligence should be ignored. Of course, this could be considered standard behavior for Trump, but maybe the ghouls in control had to quickly shift gears.

[-] MaoShanDong@hexbear.net 41 points 19 hours ago

I completely agree. I've made several comments about just how time sensitive everything is in terms of what both sides of the current conflict would want to achieve. Arguably this applies to American current interests as a whole. It's no coincidence that the 2027 deadline for Xi's imminent invasion of Taiwan keeps being brought up as if its something they PRC has actually ever stated.

There is undoubtedly a sense of urgency within the current western leadership. As much as people have lamented at the quagmire that Ukraine has become for Russia I would say that it is just as much of a quagmire for the US in terms of materiel which is why it has become so eager to throw the issue of Zelensky onto the Europeans.

Likewise the recent development of the BRI especially in Iran's case has twofold implications that I think would have accelerated the US in terms of their decisions. Firstly, with the development of the landbased rail link, the near nuclear option of decimating regional trade through the blockade of the sea of Hormuz and the destruction of regional oil and gas infrastructure has less of an effect on Iran as a whole. Secondly, with more economic linkage between Iran and the East, it would likely be only a matter of time before further reorientation occurred. The US could always attempt some level of soft coup using the entrenched assets but this comes with its own set of risks.

So it makes total sense for them to suddenly understand the risks they were dealing with. In their calculus striking while the rail link is still relatively new and things have yet to establish themselves fully was probably the best course of action. The issue was of course, they heavily underestimated the resolve of the Iranians and so now are forced to go all in.

[-] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 63 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Staging for a potential B-2 Spirit stealth bomber strike on the Fordow underground nuclear facility? Two potential developments in this regard.

As I've said many times, my theory is that if the B-2s do strike Fordow, they'll fly out from Whiteman and over the Pacific and Australia to do so, not over the Atlantic as many suggest. They might also be forward deployed to Diego Garcia as a final public signalling towards Iran. There have been two developments in the last two hours to suggest that the assets for such a plan are being put in place. Mid air refueling aircraft have been moved to California and over the Pacific, and Australia has announced the closure of it's embassy in Tehran.

Two C-17 Globemaster transport in and out of Whiteman, one heading west now.

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 28 points 18 hours ago

Need you to know I love you

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 33 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

World's first flying robot took off in Italy - Prensa Latina

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Rome, Jun 19 (Prensa Latina) The world's first flying robot, called iRonCub3, took off in Italy, marking a milestone in the country's scientific and technological development, according to a press release.

A note published on the news site of the television channel Rai News points out that this success was the result of a project initiated two years ago by a research team of the Artificial and Mechanical Intelligence Laboratory (AMI) of the Italian Institute of Technology (IIT), based in the northern city of Genoa.

“It was a radically different research from traditional humanoid robotics,” said Daniele Pucci, director of the AMI and main creator of iRonCub3, who indicated that the robot, in this first test, managed to fly at a height of 50 centimeters, which represents a significant advance.

The work also involved experts from the Aerodynamics Laboratory of the Politecnico di Milano, where the wind tunnel tests were carried out, as well as from Stanford University, where deep learning algorithms were used to identify aerodynamic models.

The iRonCub3 robot has a body and face similar to those of a child, weighing about 70 kilograms, and is equipped with four jet engines, two mounted on its arms and two in a backpack on its back.

The incorporation of these motors required additional modifications to the robot's physical structure, including titanium elements that act as a backbone and heat-resistant covers, since the temperature of the exhaust gases can reach 800 degrees.

“Our models include neural networks trained with simulated and experimental data, and are integrated into the robot's control software architecture to ensure stable flight,” said expert Antonello Paolino, one of the main drivers of this project.

In this sense, “it has control systems based on Artificial Intelligence that allow it to fly managing turbulent air flows at high speed and> extreme temperatures”, said Paolino, who considered that “the results of the research can be transferred to other robots with unconventional morphologies”.

These flying robots could be used in the exploration of extreme environments, such as space, deep sea and volcanoes, as well as for monitoring complex infrastructure, including dams, power plants and bridges, and in environmental or industrial crisis intervention,

Among the entities most interested in this equipment are space agencies, energy industries, healthcare systems and law enforcement.

In the coming months, experiments with the prototype will continue in a wider area, thanks to the collaboration with Genoa Airport, which will provide a specific area to be installed and equipped by IIT, in compliance with all safety standards, the source adds.

Cursed Photo

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 61 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

NBC Reports that Israeli Defenses are Rapidly Becoming Depleted

NBC News reports that only 65% of Iranian missiles were intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome in the past 24 hours — a sharp drop from nearly 90% the day before, according to a senior Israeli intelligence source.

The official, still receiving government briefings, noted Iran’s newer, faster missiles are cutting Israel’s response time in half, from 10–11 minutes down to just 6–7. These missiles are also more precise, with advanced guidance systems.

Despite Israeli claims of success, the official admitted Iran retains large missile stockpiles and the capability for sustained strikes, warning against underestimating Tehran’s “strategic patience” and resolve.

Talk of Iran’s collapse is premature, the source said: “They have both the will and the means to continue.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/live-blog/live-updates-israel-iran-reactor-hospital-rcna213904

[-] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 39 points 19 hours ago

MSM switching from "the enemy is weak and ineffectual" mode to consent-manufacturing mode.

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