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[-] otacon239@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I guess I have to put my foot in my mouth over a comment I made a month or so back. I had said an XBOX handheld would sell out against the Steam Deck simply due to brand recognition.

This was of course before I thought they’d be dumb enough to make a console twice as expensive aimed at the mass market. If this was targeted at the same price as the Deck, they might have had a chance.

I don’t know anyone that would consider one of these now.

[-] Exusia@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Shit I dont know anyone who can afford this. No one in my work or friend group has a Steam Deck or Switch 2. Nearly 20 people all of us of us have ps5, XsX, or switch 1. 6 have a pc that can run the latest games without chugging. Not even the scalper guy at work has gotten a Switch2 to flip.

The market for Steam Deck is already so small, you would have to undercut it in price or overshoot it in specs by such a rediculous margin (either one) to get mass market adoption. Consoles were BORN FROM being cheaper and "punching above its pricetag" compared to modular PCs. This handheld is neither.

$1000 consoles and $100 games...here we come I guess. I'm so tired of fighting this fight. One of the tenants of capitalism is that you, the consumer, should demand more-for-less. It doesn't matter that you got a good deal already. It is a consumers duty to demand a product for less, or even free. People have grown complacent and lazy with this duty - misinformation and complacency, and a culture that promotes both "fuck you I got mine" and "overpaying is a flex" has allowed prices to rocket under greedflation.

[-] overload@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

Urgh that must be gross having a scalper guy at work

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

One of the tenants of capitalism is that you, the consumer, should demand more-for-less

Oh dear, that was never a tenet of capitalism. Capitalism has only one tenet: amass as much capital as possible at all costs. Literally anything goes, including and especially capturing and controlling markets by stifling competition.

It's a natural byproduct though. Assuming a free enough market, you should have several people all supplying the same good. Some will compete on price, some on quality, and some on overall service.

The problems happen when competition evaporates, either from regulations raising the barrier to entry, acquisitions, or resource scarcity. Capitalism assumes people are greedy and pits them against each other to provide better services to everyone. A lack of competition isn't "capitalism functioning as intended," but instead the opposite, it means something is preventing capitalism from working as intended.

[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

You appear to be conflating Capitalism with the concept of free markets. They are wholly different and distinct concepts, regardless of what Capitalism’s propagandists would like everyone to believe.

Capitalism, being an economic dogma that worships private ownership and relentless pursuit and hoarding of wealth, actively incentivizes behavior that destroys free markets: trusts, monopolies, oligopolies, regulatory capture, sabotage, patents, union busting, mergers and acquisitions, financialization, and more, gradually eroding any free market until it no longer meaningfully exists.

The sad thing is that a few dozen people will buy it no matter the price, and will have a thousand dollar piece of e-waste when Microsoft decides to kill it off

[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

It's just a computer. Microsoft can't kill it off (thankfully)

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

That all depends on exactly how the OS is implemented.

It's locked into the Xbox ecosystem. Even if it can be changed, which I assume they're going to work really hard to not allow with steamos being so easy, most would simply give up before trying something else

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

It's not locked to the Xbox ecosystem; it's a Windows PC with a better UI for a controller to navigate. And I really don't see this being any more locked down than Asus' previous Ally stuff.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago
[-] McNomin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

They announced it... Runs steam as well

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

They announced that the OS and hardware isn't locked down like an XBOX? I'd love to see that if you have a source.

A few dozen people don't make a product viable, tens or hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people do.

[-] vikingtons@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago
[-] kaitco@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A Google search preview from the official Barcelona Asus store “Asus by MacMan” has accidentally revealed what many feared: the ROG Xbox Ally X will retail for €899, while the standard model sits at €599.

These European prices translate to eye-watering figures globally, potentially pushing the premium handheld well beyond the $1000 threshold in certain markets.

Now, let’s all calm down. This is based on leaked data.

If I had to guess, Microsoft leaked this themselves so that they could gauge just how much we balked at the price, and then come down to something more reasonable, making the still over-priced unit look like a better deal in the end.

Until we see the actual device for sale at this price, let’s set down the pitchforks for another day.

[-] tourist@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I'd rather spend that kind of money on an escort

That way I'll only be fucked once instead of being routinely fucked by the subscription fees

[-] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Clearly they don't care about their consoles. This is just an extra option for gamepass, their main selling product. The point of "play anywhere" is "they don't care from where you play".

There is no console wars anymore, just services. And those who still think of fighting this war, they are morons.

[-] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Moving exclusively to linux and piracy, thank you capitalism

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

800-1200 for a low end "gaming laptop" isn't super out of the realm.

Figuring out (meaningful) specs on the Z2s is... hard but https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/handheld-gaming-pcs/amds-baffling-new-ryzen-z2-apus-for-handheld-gaming-pcs-include-a-premium-ai-model-with-an-npu-and-seemingly-the-ancient-chip-from-valves-steam-deck/ seems to be the best comparison out there and it sounds like it is within the realm of the Steam Deck plus AI Magic NPU. Which is potentially incredibly good in a handheld for upscaling/framegen purposes if you roll that way (I don't care if you do or don't).

And the ROG Ally 2023s seem to be at the 650-900 range. So new chip gen combined with pre-pricing for tariffs and those are "reasonable" if you like the rest of the ROG specs. Personally? I think a 120 Hz 1080p display on a handheld is idiotic but if it is your only device there might be an argument. I forget if those support VRR.

But yeah. Definitely feels like another increasingly common MS fail which is becoming increasingly the case as they devote all of their competency toward enabling genocide (friendly reminder that BDS encourages boycotting of MS)

But with the Switch 2 just launching and being the perfect device that will give you a handy while you play? And the Steam Deck still kind of the best all arounder for closer to half the price than not? Really feels like this is being sent out to die.

[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Jesus jumping jehoshaphat, this is absolutely fucking bonkers

For comparison the Windows 11 ROG Ally is $500 (Asus.com)

~~My guess is that this will be able to play Xbox console games that aren't on PC like The Darkness. Would explain why we're seeing other console exclusive titles appear on the Xbox app.~~ (Edit: Nope.avi)

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 1 week ago

The ROG ALLY doesn't have Z2E

[-] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago

How much does a gaming laptop cost again? Because this is that essentially.

You can't hold a gaming laptop in your hands (and actually use it)

Of course a larger device will cost less/provide better performance. You're paying a premium for the handheld formfactor. Just like how with a gaming laptop you're paying a premium vs a 50+ pound desktop.

[-] Nikls94@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

Ah, so we have a Switch2 hardware with no exclusive titles for twice the price. No thank you, I‘ll play a game offline by just putting it in and hoping that the game is no copy of a game someone else made.

[-] McNomin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What are you talking about about? 😂

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