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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


Last week's discussion post.


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[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago

So what's going to happen with the "Uighur Genocide" talking point and zenz 2 odd years from now? Because if completely blocking off Gaza, cutting off food, water, electricity. Bombing hospitals and churches with hundreds and hundreds of photos of ruined apartment blocks and dead children don't count as genocide according to the west, then how in the hell are they going to cook up some proof of how what China is doing is the real genocide?

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[-] JamesConeZone@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago
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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

meeting of the officers' union in Latvia

hitler-detector

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago

I did a double check and it's true: Youtube comments regarding Israel-Palestine are more reasonable than Reddit's. I think a lot of it has to do with Youtube, for all its flaws, being more diverse than Reddit. A lot of people in the Arab/Muslim world have access to Youtube through their smartphones compared to Reddit where it's not as popular.

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[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago

A younger family member alerted me to the fact that there seems to be a big push right now to pay influencers, predominantly on TikTok, to produce pro-Israel propaganda content.

Other content creators who have posts supportive of Palestine in their past have apparently had brands and agencies offer to double their money for content deals already signed if they remove them and issue retractions.

It also seems that those who refuse are often being targeted, usually semi-anonymously but immeadiately afterward on their personal numbers, with threats.

The most active campaign seems to be the Hostages & Missing Families Forum, which has also been petitioning the Red Cross, pressuring other Arab governments politically, and spending big money on TV & online ads, and projecting messages onto UN buildings. Google them for a variety of articles on each action.

They pitch themselves as Israeli physicians and family members of the kidnapped who only want to display pictures of their missing loved ones and are supposedly campaigning simply for humanitarian aid to reach their relatives held in Gaza.

Behind the scenes they actually seem to be a well funded, professional lobbying group trying to AstroTurf support for Israel in general. They have no website or public details I can find, but there are hundreds of articles quoting them, seemingly based upon their press releases, and some mention having been to their offices. Not to mention that some of their statements to friendly or Israeli media and figures cast doubt on their support for humanitarian aid:

"Children, infants, women, soldiers, men and elderly, some with serious illnesses, wounded and shot, are held underground like animals" the Hostage and Missing Families Forum said in a statement. "But the Israeli government pampers the murderers and kidnappers" - from the National Post

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago

It's so funny that we're on the cusp of a conflict that might devour the whole Middle East and Biden, a sentient fossil that predates the fucking dinosaurs, is the guy leading America into it

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[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago

‘On Thin Ice’: Some Biden Administration Staffers Feel Stifled Discussing Horrors In Gaza

Another official ― a career bureaucrat who has worked on foreign policy for more than a decade ― said people are more alarmed about the situation in Gaza than they have been during past flare-ups in the region. The official described a culture of “self-censorship,” particularly among younger staff; they said those staffers appear to be “shocked” by how the administration’s response to what’s happening in Gaza differs from Biden’s campaign rhetoric about prioritizing human rights and his emphasis on protecting civilians in the Ukraine war.

“It’s fully in [the Biden administration’s] hands to say there’s not going to be mass atrocities,” the official said.

Current conditions are forcing “a reckoning moment,” the person in the administration said.

“There’s a deep, deep sorrow and pain for people as they’re seeing the death count rapidly mount and a panicked and alarmed sense of, ‘How are we allowing this to happen?’” they continued. “The pride I felt serving in President Biden’s administration has given way to deep shame. May God forgive us.”

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago

Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the International Olympic Committee (IOC) of banning athletes from participating for political reasons. He said that if this logic is followed, Israel should be excluded due to the conflict in the Middle East.

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[-] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago

Lmao France just keeps evacuating airports because of bomb threat, they evacuated 9 airports yesterday, already 3 today.

Bringing the air transport industry to it's knees with fake bomb threats is pretty good tactics, climate activists should adopt it

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[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago

what part of 'another kkkrakkka down unlimited genocide on the first world' don't zionists understand

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[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago
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[-] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

I think slavery is abhorrent, but I think that slaves have a moral duty to be compliant and meek in response to their masters. In that way I think it's sad, but justified, when the masters brutalize and kill their slaves for disobedience. Property rights are the foundation of our world order afterall<- every american lib

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[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel: We don't bomb hospitals.

(2 days later) [bombs a hospital and a UNESCO world heritage church]

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

I still think about how Palestinians were fully ready to defend the Jews of my city when some Nazi's came into town

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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

Former Bolivian President Evo Morales, who is now trying to return to the presidency, called for Israel to be declared a terrorist state and to sever diplomatic relations with it due to Israel's acts of genocide against civilians. Morales called Western countries supporting Israel accomplices of genocide.

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[-] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

So apparently french intelligence has proof the hospital bombing was done by hamas. What is this proof? French intelligence of course, but its secret like all intelligence. Meanwhile Israel has bombed a church and a school. I swear im losing my mind. Israel is literally gearing up for a genocide, and would have done it if they had complete control of the narrative. Which is hard since not everyone gets their news from fucking CNN anymore.

This whole episode is proof to me that anyone who is not pro China is out of their minds. Without going too deep into it, I don't see who things could be any worse than living under this "rules based order", whatever the fuck that means, of the west.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago
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[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

CNN reports a US Navy vessel near Yemen's coast has come under fire and intercepted missiles fired by Iranian-backed Houthi militants!

A UN Security Council resolution on Iran’s missile program has expired today. Russia is free to deliver hypersonic missiles to Iran. First deliveries are probably arriving at Iranian ports. Russia will support Iran in the upcoming war against Israel/US. Payback for Ukraine.

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[-] Othello@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago
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[-] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

If Hezbollah does do the funniest thing ever, how long would it take the Let’s Go Brandon/#FJB types to flip into THEY KILLED OUR PRESIDENT frothingfash

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[-] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

Israel now tells Gazans who refuse or are unable to leave the North that they'll be considered "partners in a terrorist organization" & thus legitimate targets for carpet bombing!

idf-cool

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[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago
[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

No, Genocidal Apartheid States have no right to "defend themselves". Unless the Zionists and their friends believe Nazi Germany had a right to defend itself?

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[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

Of the five posts with the most comments of all times across all lemmy instances, three are hexbear news megathreads posted since October 7th

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[-] buh@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

a Hamas Taco truck on every corner

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[-] LargePenis@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

Egyptian MP Mustafa Bakri speaks in an emergency parliamentary session today

Translation:

Nasser said that what was lost with violence, can only be restored with violence

No peace with the killers and no deals

Down with Camp David, down with Wadi Araba, down with Oslo, war is the solution

This is why we give a mandate to the Supreme Commander (of the Armed Forces), and activate Article 152 (basically an Egyptian law that allows parliament to declare war) - mic cut off here

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[-] Papaya_Power@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

I can't handle it anymore, I've been crying for hours over all the dead people and the footage coming out. It's the holocaust of Palestinians and anyone is next after them.

[-] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

The Iranian embassy in Syria tweeted, in Hebrew no less, "Time is up." I just want them to stop chatting shit and do something for god's sake. Like, come on, stop acting like a supervillain. I know I'm basically whining here but, "in hours," "tomorrow," "time is up," like eventually you have to back your threats up.

The tweet in question: https://nitter.net/IranembassyDam/status/1714441734300524929#m

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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago
[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

An Al Jazeera digital investigation found no grounds for the Israeli army's claim that the strike on the al-Ahli Arab hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed rocket launch.

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1714984258358391057

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[-] Sasuke@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

Israeli politician: “The children of Gaza have brought this upon themselves” (18th of October, 2023)

It really is hard to imagine a more malicious statement than “the children of Gaza have brought this upon themselves” when children in Gaza are now being massacred by the hundreds. But this was actually said in a recent Knesset session. And it wasn’t someone considered an extreme right-winger, but a liberal centrist – Meirav Ben-Ari from Yair Lapid’s opposition party Yesh Atid.

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[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

This is a fast food in Valence, France. That big "CHAMAS TACOS" sign is lit up at night. And recently the initial "C" failed (which is admittedly pretty funny).

So, as happens in a totally normal country, cops immediately went down there to order the sign be turned off or the fast food be closed

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[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

So Finland is currently debating if they should ban fascist and communist symbols, as one does. The ML party put out a statement (in finnish) that was pretty good all things considered, but what really got me was the end bit:

Regardless of the legality of open communist activity, communists must relentlessly defend the rights of the working class and all the oppressed and spread awareness of their interests and social status. Communists must not make concessions or compromises in order to be subservient to the rising fascism and right-wing tendencies.

The ban on communist symbols must be opposed. A legal, open communist party is the most effective way of promoting the working class class struggle and the struggle against other oppressions. The resistance must also be public.

Restricting the activities of communists has historically been a sign of a move towards fascism, and is always followed by a reduction of many other democratic rights, as well as an encroachment on the rights of workers and other oppressed people. All communists, leftists and democrats must stand together against this development.

The Communist Workers Party, together with other communist groups, will organise a demonstration/demonstrations against the banning of communist symbols. This will most probably take place at the end of October. In addition, the Communist Labour Party, together with the Finnish Communist Party, will make a statement on the subject, which will be published earlier.

emphasis mine. The Communist Labour Party is ML and the Finnish Communist Party was eurocommunist, but they've had solid line on Palestine and China which the ML party considers to be capitalist. What gets me that the smaller ML party fucking hates the communist party, but they are willing to work together on this atleast heart-sickle

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[-] Coolkidbozzy@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

hmmm, am I supposed to support the oppressed indigenous people or the settlers who stole their land? This conflict is so confusing. I guess I'll pray for both equally 😇

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[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

Blast Goes Off at Orthodox Church Campus in Gaza

Thanks NYT, want to tell me what caused that blast? No?

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[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

Sucks that Israel is (has been) behaving exactly like Nazi Germany, but you can’t dare say the h word without them saying “you’ve gone too far” or whatever shit

Did it ever occur to them that atrocities can happen to groups other than their own and you shouldn’t want the atrocities inflicted by the holocaust to happen to anyone ever again?

Holy shit, to think the main group targeted by fascists would become fascist themselves is just mind boggling. There really are no words

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[-] Weebus@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago

This is just what it's going to be, isn't? The whole strip just starved out like the Nazis tried in Leningrad.

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[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OMG Hasan literally caught a bot pretending to be a journalist(supporting the Hamas rocket narrative) in real time deleting their posts and changing their profile, wild shit.

Twitch clip

Source: I'm the rocket

hasan-ok-dude

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