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[-] Furbag@lemmy.world 166 points 11 months ago

The only thing I could think of with the whole "1000 Mozarts" comment is that there's a very real chance that if the world Musk and Bezos envision came true, those Mozart level geniuses would be working in an Amazon fulfillment center or a Tesla assembly line, wasting their talents as a slave to capitalism.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 47 points 11 months ago

That's what they actually want anyway. Drones for their business ventures.

[-] phorq@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 months ago

I was wondering what happened to the drone delivery Amazon promised... It all makes sense now...

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

That's actually something that's likely already happening, assuming they manage to even achieve that.

I guarantee there are tons of potential geniuses born that are never afforded the chance to develop or even demonstrate their abilities... and when they do, aren't recognized. Either because they are from the dirty poors and/or the Moneybags family can just leverage their resources to ensure their kids get the opportunity or recognition instead.

If you don't believe in fairness or equality, the potential benefits to yourself by way of improvements to society from geniuses should motivate you.

I'm so tired of the pattern of a well balanced society flourishing and then a few selfish fuckwads hoard resources and starve their society back into a stagnant imbalanced fief.

[-] troglodytis@lemmy.world 95 points 11 months ago

Since when do facts count as shitposts?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

It's an educational shitpost for people who think Luke Combs is the height of musical talent.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Who TF is Luke Combs?

Also, wishing you good luck!

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Luke Combs is a shitty country music star who is definitely no Mozart.

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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I think this is the creme de la creme of shitposts.

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[-] BluesF@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago

The idea that population numbers are all it takes is so stupid. Mozart is not just one guy who was really good at writing music. I mean, obviously, he literally was, but he only existed and wrote what he did in the way he did because of not only his own "genius" but also the circumstances he was raised in, his education, the musical traditions that he drew from, the fact that he was wealthy and had time... Etc etc.

Adding more people living in poverty, with poor education, no connection to musical or artistic tradition, and no time... Will not add more Mozarts.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 58 points 11 months ago

"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops"

  • Stephen Jay Gould
[-] m0darn@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Mozart wasn't wealthy, his customers (patrons) were. His father trained him in the family trade from birth and put him to work at a young age.

He had a lot in common with Michael Jackson in that way, but Michael got insanely rich and Mozart didn't.

[-] BluesF@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sorry, you're right! But... He also didn't live in a slum or have to work in an Amazon fulfilment centre lol.

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[-] linearchaos@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

Most of the super famous classical composers were born with in 90 years of each other. On one hand thay were brilliant musicians, on the other hand It was also this thing that was happening right then.

I'm fairly certain if the circumstances were different we still have a bunch of people doing the same work.

[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago

Those composers are famous because they were pioneers in the development of music and their work has been used to educate musicians in virtually all countries during the last century. There are composers creating similarly valuable music today, sometimes working in cinema or video games, and composers doing pioneering work, usually in experimental music. They aren't as famous because their work isn't being used worldwide to educate musicians, but they might be by 2123, provided society hasn't collapsed.

[-] BluesF@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

That's part of what I'm getting at. The musical culture at the time arose through the work of many, many composers, and through the listeners who talked about it etc. Cultural development is complex and requires much more than just a handful of geniuses.

[-] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They said multiple Mozarts. Ween also checks those boxes.Ween

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago

There’s probably quite a few that are really only known to their immediate friends, families, and communities.

There are a lot of really talented people out there, who will remain mostly anonymous. It’s probably nicer for most to not be in the limelight, though it sucks for the rest of us who will never know.

[-] Igotz80HDnImWinning@kbin.social 47 points 11 months ago

I bet there are a ton of Mozarts who have to work shitty jobs just to exist and will never fully develop their skills due to economic inequality. If we give everyone UBI, at least some of them would develop fully.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 32 points 11 months ago

"You know what the greatest tragedy is in the whole world?... It's all the people who never find out what it is they really want to do or what it is they're really good at. It's all the sons who become blacksmiths because their fathers were blacksmiths. It's all the people who could be really fantastic flute players who grow old and die without ever seeing a musical instrument, so they become bad ploughmen instead. It's all the people with talents who never even find out. Maybe they are never even born in a time when its even possible to find out. It's all the people who never get to know what it is they can really be. Its all the wasted chances."

[-] Slovene@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago

Bad ploughmen? Living in an Amish paradise?

[-] General_Effort@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It's from the Discworld novel Moving Pictures. If it's spoofing something, I didn't get it.

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[-] dojan@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Yeah I can see this. I also think there'd be quite a few that just aren't interested in the fame, or maybe want to keep their stuff private.

I know a person who writes her own songs every so often. They're usually made as a way of dealing with something going on in her life. I had no idea about this until after like five years of knowing her she shared one. It was beautiful, she has a great voice, and she plays the guitar really well. Since the pieces are so personal it's just not something she'll share with most of the world.

Is she a Mozart? I don't know, maybe. To me at least the experience was really profound.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

There are exceptions, but in general, in the modern music world, beauty trumps talent. You could be a great musician, but if you don't look pretty on YouTube, the A&R people think no one wants to hear you.

[-] dojan@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I think modern media can offset that a little. There's been plenty of people making use of virtual avatars to represent themselves in the past few years and still achieve decent success. Though obviously you're quite limited in what you can do if you remain anonymous.

I recall a few years ago a singer rather like that, REOL, made her first music video which she herself starred in and it kind of did accelerate her popularity. It's hard to remain anonymous if you're also looking to tour and be on stage. As an aside; it's delightful how her "face debut" song is about how she's unsure how she wants to do her debut.

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[-] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

We can add Frank Zappa to the list.
'watch out where the Huskies go '

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I would say that Zappa didn't really fit criterion 3 like Al does.

Not to take anything away from his genius. But not every musical genius needs to be a Mozart.

[-] VubDapple@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I think he does fit. Consider the genre spanning records he did in the 80s like Joe's Garage with every song from a different style. Consider how he found talent in unusual places and incorporated it, for instance Ruth playing the marimba in Inca Roads. But point also taken. No one mocks like All mocks

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I guess in a way I feel like Zappa was in a class all his own.

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[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 39 points 11 months ago

Fuck it I'll die on the same hill with you.

[-] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

I'm a simple man. I see Weird Al, I upvote.

[-] playereightyone@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

The hill is going to be a hill of bodies.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

You shall have my axe

[-] banneryear1868@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

There are well over thousands who have skills beyond Mozart today. The few who become well known are determined by very different things, having skills like Mozart is almost irrelevant. He's also just sort of the token "music talent" example for people who don't listen to music, often goes with the idea "classical music" is when music peaked.

The "gifted piano prodigy" I grew up with is a burnout in his 30s. There's an unassuming data analyst I work with who likely exceeds his skill and just teaches on the side. My local symphony had to cancel this season due to lack of sales. A band at the jazz school my brother attended (BBNG) got sampled by a rapper and were a breakthrough success. This is sorta what it looks like for the Mozarts of today.

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[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

Weird Al, sure.

But also Jack Black.

[-] art@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

You just made Mozart sound cooler to me.

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[-] pelotron@midwest.social 14 points 11 months ago

Jacob Collier as another serious answer.

[-] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

My votes would have been for Freddy Mercury (definitely) and Eddy Van Halen

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I mean it's not wrong. Kind of incredible really.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Really, the only way he doesn't fit is that he doesn't have the massive ego Mozart had. That, and I guess he's not quite as dirty. Mozart once wrote of piece of music called "Lick My Ass."

[-] WeirdAlex03@lemmy.zip 10 points 11 months ago

*clears throat in Weird Al fan that's long gone off the deep end*

And for commercially released stuff, there's also One More Minute with the line "Now I'm stranded all alone in the gas station of love, and I have to use the self-service pumps!" and the entirety of Wanna B Ur Lovr is just innuendo after innuendo

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[-] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago

Wrong place to post - this is just high quality content

[-] Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

Arjen Anthony Lucassen for sure!

[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

He popped to my mind very quickly as well. Let's go down the list:

  • Significant talent, dedication and skill

Would say, though I'd say he especially shines in composition and getting the right people to shine.

  • Write music across a bunch of different contemporary genres

Basing yourself on prog metal is kind of cheating in that respect xD

Seriously though, the genres within albums, or sometimes single songs, of his can be a bit of a rollercoaster. If another reader is still drawing a blank, The Day That The World Breaks Down

  • Draws from the work of others

Isn't that basically the standard for most musicians? And also, in the aforementioned track's clip, he specifically refers to a few inspirations. And moments when he let his collaborators do their thing and shine. "Hey Mike, here are your lyrics: 01110100 01110010 01110101 01110011 01110100 01010100 01001000 00110001, go nuts!"

  • Shitposting and odd outfits

Have you been at Live Beneath The Waves? His girlfriend got an applause, his brother was heckled & booed, and his keyboard guy was called a LUL by the entire audience. All at his request.

Arjen checks the boxes pretty well.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Wouldn't it also mean a thousand Musks and Trumps?

Or probably millions of them since they are not very smart at all, just attention seeking man childs.

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