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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 101 points 10 months ago

"I'm fine with 8000 dead children but NOT 9000" - Bernie Sanders, the moderate wing of fascism.

If this is an illegal, immoral, brutal, and grossly disproportionate war then why did you support it until now?

[-] roux@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"Bernie's bank account grew three sizes that day."

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 82 points 10 months ago

"the wholesale child murder was fine, but now you're doing TOO MUCH child murder"

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 57 points 10 months ago

Like so many other politicians, Bernie will eventually change his opinion if he gets too many angry phone calls and street heckles from folks he pays attention to.

[-] aaro@hexbear.net 65 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The fact that this is very nearly the most anti imperialist response from any US politician is completely wild to me. The entire gamut of the spectrum of this issue is from "don't keep stabbing new knives into the victim, just leave the old ones and call it good" to "holocaust 2.0, keep stabbing until there's nothing but pieces", thanks to Rashida Tlaib's censure.

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

What they did to Rashida was fucking vile. Condemning your colleague when she tries to save her people from genocide is a special kind of evil.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

Gravel would be disappointed in him

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 65 points 10 months ago

You keep calling it war despite being a massive ghetto getting bombed unilaterally

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 54 points 10 months ago

It's been 3 months Bernie.

[-] Torenico@hexbear.net 50 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's easy to say it when the US is trying to get out of this mess lmao. If he was brave, he would have said it after the first bombings in October.

But what can we expect from a man who folded so easily to Biden in an election he could have won...

[-] YourMom@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

He was never gonna win lmao. He wasn't a good enough candidate, or good enough at running a campaign, sure. But they were always gonna rat fuck him.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 44 points 10 months ago

Go home old man why did this take you 3 months to figure out

[-] Esoteir@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

not interested in a thing this man says that doesn't include the word "ceasefire" shrug-outta-hecks

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

Ceasefire is cool and all, but it doesnt even begin to start the path to justice. So many of the world's "leaders" need to be charged for their complicity in this genocide. They have let this shit go on for the better part of a century. They've always known what a genocidal country Isntreal is.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

Yeah. Ceasefire is the 'reform the police' to justice's "abolish the police". The Israeli state as it is currently constituted needs to be dismantled. Idk where you'd even start trying to do some kindo f truth and reconciliation thing to deprogram all the fash in Israel.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

Nothing wrong with calling for cutting off U.S. funding.

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

Calling to cut off US funding is a better position than "ceasefire". It is a clear demand of the actual domestic government behind which anyone that things of them as left can rally (pr be lobbied to rally). It poses an actual threat to Israel as well and will elicit strong reactions if it can be made to grow. It also suggests direct actions re: arms manufacturers and logistics. It will also be evergreen until and if the US revokes support for Israel, therefore providing a cause around which to organize beyond the current bombing and invasion campaign.

Ceasefire rhetoric will be useless the moment a ceasefire is declared and is even counterproductive, as any ceasefire will inevitably be broken and there are many scenarios where we would then be on the back foot. (1) Israel breaks the ceasefire but blames it on Hamas or whatever. We now have to explain media literacy to everyone in order to implicitly defend why a ceasefire is good rather than why Israel is inherently an oppressive project. (2) Palestinian groups break the ceasefire to engage in actions in the spirit of liberation, as in the al-Aqsa flood, and you now have to either contradict yourself and say actually now we don't want a ceasefire or you have to reject the fight for liberation and feed into imperialist rhetoric.

PS: we shouldn't let a pile of random zoomers have better takes on Palestine than us lol. We should be radicalizing and incorporating them, not alienating them by copying milquetoast SocDems imperialists.

[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

I mean, if he said “cut off funding” period, I would agree. But he deliberately said for “Netanyahu’s illegal war” which is very much an attempt at saying ceasefire without uttering the word, so this is effectively the same. It takes the liberal Zionist approach of trying to frame the more “quiet” ethnic cleansing of Palestine pre-October 7 as an acceptable status quo while using Netanyahu as a scapegoat.

Even if Bernie had to take a Zionist approach which doesn’t broach the topic of Israel’s inherent existence being genocidal, he could at least focus on the occupation itself and Israel’s continued arrogance at brushing off even the pretense of a Palestinian state. Point being that it’s not ideal but it would be a good next step.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

But he deliberately said for “Netanyahu’s illegal war” which is very much an attempt at saying ceasefire without uttering the word, so this is effectively the same. It takes the liberal Zionist approach of trying to frame the more “quiet” ethnic cleansing of Palestine pre-October 7 as an acceptable status quo while using Netanyahu as a scapegoat.

Exactly, libs have been doing this shit where they redirect their Trump derangement onto Netanyahu in order to whitewash the inherent crime of isntrael existing as a genocidal apartheid state

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[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago

Oh so what was your limit of dead Palestinians Bernie? I want a fucking number

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

what was your limit of dead Palestinians Bernie?

At this point I wonder if it's a matter of duration than the number of dead people.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

I guess the better question is "how many phonecalls?"

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

Thanks, I just realized I was still giving him the benefit of the doubt when it's awesome folks on the ground putting in the hard work to make him do something

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago

Too late bitch! If it wasn’t complicated, you shouldn’t have equivocated two months ago

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago

Bernie Sanders Calls for 'NO MORE' U.S.

picard-excited

oh, well, that's okay too

[-] Bnova@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago

Oh fuck off Bernard. Should've said shit months ago.

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

Empty words from an empty man, too late scumbag

[-] voight@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

It took 30,000, not 20,000 to impress Bernie Sanders

[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

Thought this was a @Melina@hexbear.net post for a second there

Still not entirely convinced

[-] lurker_supreme@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

bern-disgust fellow-kids

Petition to combine these two emojis

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[-] Finger@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

no more half measures walter

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

day late and a dollar short. fuck bernie

Death to America

[-] voight@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago

He waited for 30,000

[-] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

Fuck you Sanders too little too late

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

Who the FUCK is Bernie Sanders?

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

TOOK YA LONG ENOUGH

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

Well, he figured it out eventually. : p

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

Guys really all over on this

[-] material_delinquent@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

nice try, onion, nice try...

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 10 months ago

So either Bernie paid his penance and received some leash slack or the DNC is panicking like a motherfucker for the coming election year and they're planning to pretend to have morals just long enough to keep some power.

[-] DengistDonnieDarko@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

Too little too late Bernard brandon

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