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That's deeper than the Titanic! 12,500 vs 16,000 feet.
Can we send Jeffrey Bezos or Elon Musk down in a submarine to confirm the find?
In a sub designed specifically for them by their own employees, knowing that Bezos and Musk will be the only individuals to ever stress test the vessel? I'm sure that would go swimmingly. 😁
I worry they'll get their dreams crushed.
Swimmingly, indeed.
These comments are drowning in puns.
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We need to get a carbon fiber sub full of billionaires down there to investigate pronto!
Can it be poorly built with a disregard for safety?
Oh boy, can it!
is she ok
Yeah. Just chillin.
I was holding out hope for the Delta quadrant.
Funny I just watched that episode not too long ago. I always liked it when Trek did weird little historical episodes like that.
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Who was the best 'person from the 20th century frozen and come back to life on a Federation starship,' Amelia Earhart, Khan or that country singer dude from the TOS episode where they also unfroze the asshole businessman that found out he was in a post-scarcity society?
I'd say the country singer dude. He was pretty chill.
It does raise a ton of questions, though. If 24th-century medical science can easily revive a person who'd been frozen with primitive 20th-century cryonics, why did they ever "give up" on people dying of things in sickbay? Stick them in the freezer and ship them to a better facility on a starbase. Having emergency freezers in shuttles or escape pods would also make sense.
That's nothing. It's established that the transporter can keep you alive indefinitely in the pattern buffer, make an exact copy of you and turn you back into a child.
Not enough people recognize the transporter is an immortality engine. Thank you for being this important point to light. It would actually solve the Lower Decks question if how do the officers come back to life instead of the black mountain and screaming koala.
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I watched a documentary on Amelia recently and her sister was like (paraphrasing) “Amelia would have been so mad they’ve wasted this much money looking for her body, pilots died all the time back then.”
One thing I’d forgotten was that she had another person with her during that last flight—her navigator
I’m sure the funding agencies aren’t worried about Amelia
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I'm copying my comment from the other thread:
I listened to an interview with the owner of the company on the radio this morning. He's a commercial real estate investor who sold everything near the start of the pandemic (smart). He then decided to form an ocean exploration company to search for things like lost planes and ships and such. He chose this as his very first search because he was curious, but also because he wanted to generate publicity for his company. They set up a 90-day search mission and were filming it for a documentary. And they found the object on literally the very last day of the search. They say it could be the plane, but that it could also just be a group of rocks in the shape of a plane. He's already gotten one [person? company?] to hire him to look for another lost item underwater and had other inquiries.
Honestly? I don't think it's the plane, just a guy drumming up publicity for his new business, especially since it's in a field that he's not established in. They're going to go back and either not be able to find that image again, or it'll turn out to be a bunch of rocks. Possibly even a bunch of rocks they spotted earlier and came back to in the last day with the idea of "eh, close enough" for publicity purposes. As for the image? Remember this?
One of the reasons my ex hated me is because I was skeptical about everything.
But in today's modern age, everyone's a grifter and I have yet to see video or photos of something clearly a ghost or ET.
Amelia Earharts wreck has been sought for so long, and has had many false positives. Since there is the smallest wiff of a grift here, I think we can safely say, yeah I'll believe when it's recovered.
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They’ve “found” her plane several times. I remember 5 years ago it was found near Papua New Guinea. Before that, people found a fragment and bones on an atoll. Before that, people claimed she was pictured with Noonan in some Japanese photos.
Definitely looks like AN airplane, whether or not it's THE airplane, I guess we'll find out in a few years.
Hope they send a drone down first.
Nah let's send another billionaire.
Elon Musk, if you happen to read this, I believe you're the only one that can go down there. You're so brave and amazing, nobody else could handle such pressures.
I'd bet you could even go down there alone and do excellent work. We all believe in you. Go. Seriously, do it.
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We need to send at least two. You can't just trust the words of one billionaire. We should probably send at least 3 just to be on the safe side.
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Always send a drone first, D-class second, MTF third, and lastly a second MTF to rescue the first MTF.
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That sonar image is very compelling, but I'm no expert in such things and claims about Earhart's plane, or at least wreckage from it, being discovered have been made before.
It's clear that it's a plane, and I'm sure they've compared the size of the sonar image to the size of an Electra. To say that it could be Earhart's plane must mean that the size of the sonar image doesn't exclude that plane.
Then the question becomes "Which other plane could it be, for the size and shape, and for where it is?" Now, obviously it's a wreck, and it's been at the bottom of the ocean for a long time, but based on that sonar, it looks pretty intact. That suggests that whatever plane it is was ditched in the ocean relatively intact, as opposed to suffering a catastrophic impact. Just based on the sonar, though, those wings look to be swept back more than an Electra's are.
Electra is a bit over 38 feet long. A MiG-15 is 36 feet long, and an F-86 Sabre is 37 feet. Both seem to match that wing sweep more accurately, though I have no idea if either of those aircraft were ever lost in the area of Howland Island.
If it's true that the bones found on Gardner Island "are almost certainly" from Earhart and/or Noonan, I find it highly unlikely that they could have landed at Gardner, and then the plane be swept all the way from there to Howland, while remaining so intact the whole way.
No, I don't think this is Earhart's Electra.
If it’s true that the bones found on Gardner Island “are almost certainly” from Earhart and/or Noonan, I find it highly unlikely that they could have landed at Gardner, and then the plane be swept all the way from there to Howland, while remaining so intact the whole way.
Keep in mind that the scientists who claim the bones are hers simply performed updated forensic osteology methods against the bone measurements and body measurements extrapolated from physical records and photographs. They said:
The bones are consistent with Earhart in all respects we know or can reasonably infer. Her height is entirely consistent with the bones. The skull measurements are at least suggestive of female. But most convincing is the similarity of the bone lengths to the reconstructed lengths of Earhart’s bones. Likelihood ratios of 84–154 would not qualify as a positive identification by the criteria of modern forensic practice, where likelihood ratios are often millions or more. They do qualify as what is often called the preponderance of the evidence, that is, it is more likely than not the Nikumaroro bones were (or are, if they still exist) those of Amelia Earhart. If the bones do not belong to Amelia Earhart, then they are from someone very similar to her. And, as we have seen, a random individual has a very low probability of possessing that degree of similarity.
This is certainly a good estimate, and the methodology tracks, but a) the actual bones cannot be measured/studied further, b) it's possible the bones were from a female of her same size, c) no other corroborating evidence is possible. They did a DNA analysis of some bones they found in the Tarawa archives in 2019(ish) which they thought might be the long lost bones, but tests concluded that they were not. So in this case I think it's safe to say these bones have a high probability of being hers, but not to extrapolate that because those bones were hers, other theories must be ruled out. It's suggestive that the bones were hers, but not proof that any other hypothesis should be confirmed or rejected.
Didn't they find parts from an Electra in the surf on the edge of a South Pacific atoll several years ago, with no other Electra ever reported lost in the area, and signs of decades old brief human habitation on the island?
Tony Romeo, a pilot and former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer, told the Wall Street Journal that he funded the $11 million search by selling off his commercial real estate properties.
Well, it's as good a time to sell off commercial real estate as any. I can't help but wonder if the search actually cost as much as his investment cash-out, or if this is just a smokescreen to cash out without getting in the news for cashing out.
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That's only about 25% deeper than the Titanic.
I can't wait for more billionaires to fuck around with the ocean and find out.
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A new journey on the oceangate brochure
could there still be signs of bodies after all this time? like bones?
Unlikely after this long. Sea creatures and the sea water itself will eventually consume and break down nearly every part of a body, including bones.
One thing that might still survive is leather clothing. Many leather items such as shoes have been found at the Titanic wreck site.
Clothing maybe. Jewelry or other inorganics.
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