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[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 60 points 5 months ago
[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 2 points 5 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 59 points 5 months ago

Voting is pointless. Got it. stalin-approval

[-] AlicePraxis@hexbear.net 55 points 5 months ago

start making appeals to the people on the other side

lmao. he is and has always been on the "other side"

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago
[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

From Reagan's biographer:

The carnage caused by Israeli bombings of Beirut was regularly highlighted on the nightly news, causing reactions within the Reagan administration that cut across the usual conservative-pragmatist divisions. The speechwriters were appalled; one of them, Landon Parvin, refused to write remarks for Reagan when Begin visited the White House for a chilly visit in June. On August 12, after Israeli planes had bombed Beirut for eleven consecutive hours, Deaver told Reagan he couldn't continue to be part of "the killing of children" and intended to resign. Shultz and Clark had been sending similar signals to Reagan, albeit more diplomatically.

Reagan, also disgusted at the bombings, took the unusual step of calling Begin. "Menachem, this is a holocaust," he told him.

In a voice that the aide who monitored the conversation said was "dripping with sarcasm," Begin replied: "Mr. President, I think I know what a holocaust is." But Reagan persisted. Begin called back twenty minutes later to say he had given the order to stop the bombings. After he hung up the phone, Reagan said to Deaver, "I didn't know I had that kind of power."

Biden during Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon:

As Biden’s colleagues “grilled” Begin over Israel’s disproportionate use of force, including by targeting civilians with cluster bomb munitions, Begin said Biden “rose and delivered a very impassioned speech” defending the invasion. Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.”

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago

Oh, I know.

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 50 points 5 months ago

It's amazing the way all these silly vote rationales collapse the moment you apply the logic from the other side or even just follow the logic beyond the exact rhetorical cul-de-sac they've convinced themselves is the whole world.

Not voting for a candidate just tells them they won't ever get your vote, so why bother changing.

So what does voting for them unconditionally do?

It... umm... well... ensures they rely our your vote instead of going to the right. Which gives you power... somehow

Power I can use by threatening to withhold my vote?

No, because then they know you're not reliable and can and will ignore you.

So my choice is to vote against my interests and morals and be ignored, while supporting a monster. Or not do that, be ignored, and focus on something else.

Uhm no. I mean yes. But no because something something Trump, something something you can't come to my dinner party

[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 5 months ago

I think they are saying we should vote for trump and pull him left

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago

refusing to vote for rightwingers forces them to appeal to leftist ideas, right? right? hey, unhand me!

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 1 points 5 months ago

I think the rationale is something like:

If the democrats/Labour/the SPD etc. (ie. the lib blob party) gets few votes they will be afraid and move right to claw back those votes.

If the lib blob party gets many votes they feel safe to do the good things they really want to do.

If the lib blob party does bad things it is evidence that they didn't get enough votes and you have to vote for them. Anything bad the lib blob does is the voters' fault.

[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 5 months ago

They are trying so hard to convince themselves that they are the moral and smart ones for voting in favor of genocide.

[-] JayTwo@hexbear.net 37 points 5 months ago

THERE IS NO WAY THE AVERAGE CITIZEN CAN PUSH A POLITICIAN IN ANY DIRECTION IF THAT POLITICIAN KNOWS THOSE PEOPLE ARE GUARANTEED TO VOTE FOR THEM NOMATTER WHAT.

THE ONLY WAY IS TO COMMUNICATE DEMANDS EN BLOC, THREATEN TO WITHHOLD VOTES IF IGNORED, AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON IT.

[-] JayTwo@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

i'm yelling because I've been saying this for about two decades

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 35 points 5 months ago

"Put your big boy pants on". What a time to be alive.

Biden is génocidaire. I will not vote for him.

Yes, that doesn't fit your equation. But then again - people who think as I do and will not be pro-génocidaire are not the problem.

No one has their ideal candidate on the ballot. Put your big boy pants on and vote for whoever you think will move the country in a positive direction.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 23 points 5 months ago

Put your big boy pants on and vote for whoever you think will move the country in a positive direction.

Okeeeeee

https://votesocialist2024.com/

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

I never thought if I mentioned genocide the actual reply would be "put your big boy pants on". That kind of ridiculous situation usually only happens in my head when I'm trying to think up stuff for a parody.

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago

Just when you thought we'd reached the limits of liberal absurdity

Turns out that just pushes the limits further to the right!

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 5 months ago

“put your big boy pants on”.

Those are the pants in question

[-] i_love_FFT@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 months ago

Isn't there an option for "write-in candidates" in the US? How does it work? Could everyone vote for somebody else to clearly say they wanted to choose, but didn't like the choices being offered?

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago

Nah, votes themselves don't get someone elected president. The electoral college does. There are some states that set up laws so their electoral college votes have to match the will of the state's popular vote, but I doubt that includes write ins.

[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago

IIRC the penalty for breaking those laws is a fine. Vv democracy

[-] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 20 points 5 months ago

If a write in campaign were organized enough to win, they are also organized enough to get 3rd party ballot access.

[-] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago

We write in "Genocide Joe" and piss off everyone all at once.

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 18 points 5 months ago

Uncommitted Genocide

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago

Watch those actually get counted as votes for Biden, lmao

[-] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 5 points 5 months ago

For the rest of my life I get to troll the libs by telling them that I voted for Genocide Joe while also not voting for Biden. It's a fool proof plan.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 6 points 5 months ago

No that's not allowed because it's not realistic

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 13 points 5 months ago

I feel like railroad owners have ideal candidate on the ballot tbh, so jimmy buffet got his guy

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 34 points 5 months ago

Democracy is when voting for the guy I like is the only viable option

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's kind of incredible to me that libs respond by saying "Don't let the perfect be enemy of the good on election day," even on a day when Israel has openly assassinated aid workers.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

Yeah at this point if anything it seems like if you really want to do a “lesser evil” vote Trump is the choice. It doesn’t seem like there is a greater evil than Biden.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 31 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Because I opened an account at Bluesky - I occasionally get libs who reply to me with all the crazy lib arguments I haven't experienced directly. A few hours ago somebody there replied to me with "But Trump would nuke Gaza" take. It's scary how Trump Derangement Syndrome has destroyed so many lib brains and souls.

[-] ziggurter@hexbear.net 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

But Trump would nuke Gaza

Hey libs, you sure you really want to convince me that Trump will exterminate every Palestinian in Gaza just like Biden is doing, but instead of going and congratulating Bibi when ground is broken on the first Zionist settlement, Trump would instead make it uninhabitable to the colonists? Hmm.

I've seen this take on reddit-logo quite a bit though, TBH. No BlueSkkky needed.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 28 points 5 months ago

The post is by Kevin M. Kruse - a lib historian.

Kevin M. Kruse

Kevin Michael Kruse (born 1972) is an American historian and a professor of history at Princeton University. [...] Kruse self-identifies as a liberal, though he has stated that he is "too amenable to compromise and coalition-building to be an avatar of the far left".

I guess my comment to him that Biden is a génocidaire wasn't "coalition-building" enough so he blocked me. Haha.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

If you don’t care enough to even attempt to compromise or win anyone over, then what’s the point of running as the “opposition?” Why not just run as as a republican and appeal to the right from the get go? All this says is that liberals have no moral compass or consistency, which is true, but also a lie because their moral compass points to evil and they’re consistently useless

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

"You see if I vote for a politician no matter what, I am sure to be listened to!" And other statements manifested by the utterly not-at-all-deranged

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

Fuck, they just keep getting worse

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

Ok, but if you don't vote for Biden, he will be sad. Ever think about that, commie?

[-] HexbearGPT@hexbear.net 12 points 5 months ago

They’re right but also this how we ended up with Hitler.

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