yup. every one else has very expensive lawyers.

reality is Teslas are a shit product with false advertising.

Tesla, for blatantly false advertising.

naw. I think the worst part is when, in tests because that's the only places they can turn it on in most states, it'll slow down for an object in the road, and then decide to floor it.

Yeah. how many times did they say 'Cybertruck is coming out this year', only for it to not? I suspect they got it into production by mashing parts together because of consumer protection things coming into effect. they're full of shit. and the "legal reasons" are so as to make the driver responsible and not them.

Same deal almost everywhere... but firsthand experience is that a significant portion of all drivers have their phone out.

Would love to see some proportional crash rates of autopilot use vs not autopilot use too. People focus on things like crash totals or death totals. 17 deaths is a tragedy to be sure.

That being said when the US has over 40,000 auto deaths per year... and this article is telling me only 17 deaths are in any way involved with Autopilot since 2019... I really wonder why this is somehow more outrageous than the ~240,913 other vehicle deaths in the US since 2019. Given that Tesla is about 5% of all autos in the US, I would expect tesla deaths to be about 12,000 deaths in that period, or 5%.

Are so few people using autopilot? Shouldn't the autopilot death toll be something closer to the 2000 deaths per year one would expect statistically from Tesla Drivers?

Is autopilot much safer than human drivers? Is it more dangerous?

Is Autopilot + Attentive safer than just attentive?

Is the 40k deaths per year not something that should be considered simply because people stop thinking of so many deaths as a tragedy and just think of it as a statistic?

Is the outrage and focus on car self driving just an extension of human phobia of technology and articles allow for people to have anecdotal confirmation bias?

If I ever get into a self driving car and let it do its thing, it’s going to be fucking open source.

There is zero chance in trusting tesla or any other giant corpos with my life, safety and the life and safety of everyone around me

I think it's more fair to say it is maliciously named. It's false advertising and leading to issues exactly like the one mentioned in this post.

Which my parents' Lexus had like 7 years ago.

There’s a pretty important distinction here: people using autopilot and full self driving interchangeably when they are very different things. It’s important to know which.

• autopilot is mostly a better adaptive cruise control. You shouldn’t expect to be hands off anymore than any other adaptive cruise control
• full self driving is much more capable and may tempt people to be hands off. In ideal conditions it can literally do all the driving. However it’s not yet ready for all the less than ideal conditions, plus they have feedback to keep your hands on the wheel. Whether or not you think this is falsely advertised, you can not be hands off without working around the sensors. The driver can’t claim ignorance

If you try using adaptive cruise control and lane assist functions as a method to keep your hands off the wheel you're going to be in for a bad time.

I'm sure it's not all cars, but all the ones i've been in over the past 10 years generally only jerk you back to the middle of the lane. They don't adapt well if you're cut off suddenly at high speeds either.

But if it's marketed to change lanes, adjust speed, avoid obstacles, stop, signal, and everything else a driver does... then it's being marketed as far more than "advanced cruise control", is it not?

Quite literally their website says: "Tesla cars come standard with advanced hardware capable of providing Autopilot features, and full self-driving capabilities."

"The system is designed to be able to conduct short and long distance trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat."

"When you arrive at your destination, simply step out at the entrance and your car will enter park seek mode, automatically search for a spot and park itself. A tap on your phone summons it back to you."

They are telling you the car will drive without someone even being in it!

Why are they even allowed to get away with this kind of marketing? Getting people killed along the way.

Fsd? You mean the service tesla itself named "Full self driving?"

Sure seems like the company is very intentionally misleading its customers, no matter how many disclaimers they have added over the years as more and more people get killed by their cars.

Your point will have more merit when Tesla drops that dangerously misleading name. Until then, they are partially culpable.

Yeah he opened the door and climbed out once the cop arrived. I think he was afraid we'd linch him or something. Someone took his keys at one point. I remember screaming at him through the window to get out of the car and help us. But he just dead stares forward the whole time

Blue Cruise from ford has autonomous self driving on some highways.

But it's more likely in a car where the drivers may have been mislead into believing a myth that the car will drive itself safely without them.

I'd wager the driver knew full well that the car does not drive without them. While it is a very poorly and marketing influenced name ("Autopilot"); unless this was the drivers first time using it, and had only used it for 5 seconds before the accident they new perfectly well what the feature was.

You have to try to game the car for it to allow you to take your hands off the wheel. It's pretty sensitive to movements and if your hands are off the wheel you get visible and audible alerts before the car disengages the cruise control / lane assistance.

This seems like a case of a reckless driver who killed someone and is attempting to push blame or form some excuse for their negligence. The driver not paying attention to the road is the danger here, no matter what car they're driving.