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For starters, how the fuck do you enforce an embargo without the threat of violence, and secondly I love how me and all my communist friends are expected to have a PhD in world history and economics while your average liberal can cite two state department links and a CIA funded NGO and call it a day.

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[-] unperson@hexbear.net 81 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

nerd excuse me the embargo has an exception for food and medicine

It's really easy you see, you just need to pass an inspection and get a written permission from the President of the US, the payment must be made in cash in US dollars before shipment and through some non-American bank, and the shipping company must go straight from a US port to a Cuban port and back with no layovers.

This is not a joke, it's what is actually written in the law.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 48 points 4 months ago

How else do you fucking enforce an embargo without violence? Fucking magic?

just-one-small-problem

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

Liberals think that if you put enough intermediate steps and performative civility over the direct violence part that it stops being violence. So because the ships aren't being fired on with rockets or cannons if they try to go to Cuba, that's not violence. Instead if someone breaks the terms of the embargo while in the US they'll be arrested (which is violent, but liberals don't think it is), if a ship docks in Cuba it's barred from docking in the US for a long period of time (and if it tried it would presumably be impounded and its crew arrested, all of which involve violence or the threat of violence), if a company outside the US violates the embargo it gets blacklisted or sanctioned by the US (all of which is ultimately enforced by the US ability to enact violence), etc.

The capacity for violence is the foundational force of state and geopolitical hegemony, and every layer of power on top of it is backed up by the threat of violence or carried out by people who are under the threat of violence if they don't comply. Even things like fiat currency are basically just operating on the hegemonic violence standard: liberals think fiat currency runs on magical thinking and vibes, libertarians think it's fake altogether, and only occasionally will you see some honest admission that the US dollar (for example) is actually based on America's capacity to enact violence globally and domestically.

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

'InTeRNaTIonaL LaW!11!'

[-] very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago

"the law only applies to business and financial transactions"

like, does that mean that the blockade seeks to undermine grocery stores and restaurants, as if to force Cubans to live on food provided by NGOs? thinking-about-it

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago

"This law only applies to goods and services"

Oh well carry on then

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 75 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

These morons don't understand that violence extends beyond shooting people

Sanctions are quite literally state level violence, typically levied against another state, because the consequences of them can oftentimes result in excess deaths due to an inferior supply of goods.

[-] SaniFlush@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago

Do you think imperialists are capable of understanding they're not the protagonists?

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

You don't need to understand that to understand the implicature present in such arrangements. This is disingenuous garbage, disguised as semantical truth

reddit-logo would be proud

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

Yes, they just don't care

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 57 points 4 months ago

Fucking called it that community notes was gonna turn into snopes.

"The Cia has publicly stated that they do not carry out clandestine missions so this claim that they interfere with elections is false and probablly from russia"

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 56 points 4 months ago

it's legal because we made it legal & don't acknowledge the international treaties that make it illegal smuglord

[-] TheKanzler@hexbear.net 54 points 4 months ago

"What? The US government punishes whistleblowers?! That's impossible, we have a Whistleblower Protection Act™! Are you telling me the government doesn't even care about its own laws?!?!"

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 45 points 4 months ago

Smug liberal ghouls love to pretend food and medicine is exempt, but any ship that tries to dock in Cuba, even in an emergency, is sanctioned by the US government and the company is too.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 36 points 4 months ago

After docking in Cuba you're just prevented from docking in the US for 6 months! Seems reasonable to me! i-love-not-thinking

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago
[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

Uhhh volcel police? We've got a major infraction here!

[-] VOLCEL_POLICE@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago

The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.

نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.

volcel-police

[-] davel@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago

I love how me and all my communist friends are expected to have a PhD in world history and economics while your average liberal can cite two state department links and a CIA funded NGO and call it a day.

That’s cultural hegemony for ya.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

Gramsci is the goat comrade sungmanitu has been hosting a reading of his works on Marx Madness.

[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 39 points 4 months ago

how the fuck do you enforce an embargo without the threat of violence

It's actually just America asking very nicely that nobody else trade with Cuba. Everyone just likes America so much, because America is so wholesome and kind, that they oblige. Even the Cubans oblige. Nope, no threat of military intervention at all! That military budget is actually just like a funny little inside joke you wouldn't understand.

[-] refolde@hexbear.net 39 points 4 months ago

If I decided strangle the person who wrote that note and the people who supported it, would anyone try to stop me?

[-] context@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago

of course i would! the proper way to handle this situation is to displace the oxygen in whatever room the person is sitting in. nitrogen asphyxiation is considered a form of oxygen-deprivation distinct from strangulation: not enforced with violence.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

No sir I just opened the airlock and exposed them to the cold vacuum of space.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

I would help

[-] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

I would, because I'm going to do it first

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

Only to suggest a slower, more painful method of execution but aside from that carry on

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

nerd Cuckstiny fans finkelstein-lambaste

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

It makes no sense because neo-nazis on twitter are supposed to hate Brandon and his policies not support them!

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

People are so fucking stupid, like, dumb shit redditors are like "um cuba isn't being blockaded" because technically other countries "can" trade with Cuba

But the terms of the embargo put a massive economic incentive on shipping to not do that! You can go to Cuba to make money or you can go to the U.S. to make money but you can't fucking do both within like the same YEAR, so of course ships aren't going to go to fucking cuba!

These dumbfucks are usually neoliberals and is like jesus christ, this effect is logically consistent with your own brain dead ideology, how do you not get it???

And that's on top of one idf the secretaries of inter American affairs stating basically word for word "people love Castro so we're going to starve them so they revolt" in a fucking memo that is PUBLIC RECORD right before the fucking embargo got put into place

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago

I heard that the terms of the embargo are also deliberately vague, so it's hard to know for sure whether your cargo would be allowed or considered sanction breaking. What company would want to roll the dice with US authorities every delivery?

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

This is an excellent example of one of the ways that moral progress has actually reversed in the last few decades. Even the compararively barbaric European and American politicians of the early 1900's all understood and accepted that economic sanctions were a form of actual warfare.

[-] PoisonIvy@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I remember reading an analysis I liked from somewhere a few years ago saying that this phenomenon is because the "old money" of the 19th/early 20th century who knew where their value came from (the labor/exploitation of the working class & the third world) and how it related to class warfare and their position in it have all died out, and now all that's left are "true believer" heirs and sycophants of that old money who don't actually know where any of their surplus value comes from. To me, anyway, that may explain why everything is so much more nonsensical these days from the wealthy/ruling classes.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

The embargo on Cuba exempts food and medicines.

U.S. SANCTIONS ON CUBA AND VENEZUELA HAMPER THE GLOBAL FIGHT AGAINST COVID-19

Venezuelan authorities say U.S. sanctions are to blame.

“The news that Venezuela’s last 4 payments to COVAX have been blocked—thus preventing the Venezuelan people from accessing the vaccine distribution mechanism—confirms once again the criminal nature of the unilateral, illegal, and coercive measures that the United States has imposed on Venezuela,” Arreaza told The Intercept in a statement.

A spokesperson for the U.S. State Department rejected the notion that the U.S. bears responsibility, noting that fedposting "sanctions on Venezuela include broad exceptions for humanitarian goods but that banks sometimes delay transactions on their own.

frothingfash X patriots in control parroting cia gaslighting.

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

Literally a rapporteur from the UN, who was a Harvard educated ghoul too, went to Venezuela in like 2014 and he was like "yeah the situation in Venezuela isn't great but the sanctions are making everything worse and constitute a crime against humanity"

[-] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

um but have you considered Chyna evil CCP social credit score dysinformazya doublethink 1984? I thought not, stupid commie

[-] iie@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

So... food and medicine are blocked, with the exception of NGO aid?

[-] M68040@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

One of the things I'll continue to say I liked about Obama was the gestures towards lightening up on Cuba. Not that they'd add up to anything, but hell, it seemed like the cold war status quo might get left behind to me at that point.

[-] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

We denied them money, then said you can buy our food. Agricultural machinery? Nah they can just take donations from CIA front groups.

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