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Granted it was during a bleak period of my life when I was so reactionary. But my god, to think these goobers are still around today, still doing racism and sexism, just moving from target to target to take out the impotent rage on.

Just reminded of it today with the "discourse" of Yasuke being in Ass Creed and G*mers changing any woman not white and waifish with AI.

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[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

Semi-unrelated but I suspect that almost no one actually dislikes Yasuke for historical reasons. He's a pretty well known figure associated with the most famous shogun to ever live. His existence is fairly well documented, and he shows up a lot in Japanese media too. I think most people with a passing interest in Japanese history will have heard of him at some point.
Maybe it's just because I'm older now than I was during Gamergate, but this new drama doesn't hold up under even gentle scrutiny.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

Yeah. Yasuke is actually a perfect pick for an AC character. Fascinating person where just enough is known, but plenty of questions to fill in the blanks with AC nonsense.

[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

its why everytime someone comes to me saying its not an issue about race in a samurai game, I tell them did you complain William in Nioh 1 and its sequel Nioh 2 was an Irish Samurai. if they didnt, suprise you might actually be a racist, because Nioh being a Japanese developed game, also proves Japan doesnt give a shit about historical accuracy and what race a Samurai is, so you couldnt play the japan would be mad about it card.

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[-] NapoleonBlownApart@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago

I was 12 in 2000. There were a lot of words that were "ok" to say back then that I regret having come out of my mouth.

The important thing is to move on and learn why that was bad. Don't beat yourself up over it.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 25 points 4 months ago

There were a lot of words that were "ok" to say back then

"There are two words I don't want to hear anybody say. 'Sucks' and 'Shut up'."

-my elementary school principal, in a very real and very serious assembly

[-] Parzivus@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

One of my "friends" taught me a slur in 4th grade and it made the teacher think my parents were racists lol
If you're reformed and now on Hexbear, fuck you, Jay!

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[-] charly4994@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

Suckiest Bunch Of Sucks is the only thing that comes to mind after something like that

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[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

There were a lot of words that were "ok" to say back then that I regret

agni-pain The amount that I used the r-slur in high school...

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[-] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago

It should have been dismissed at the start, like game journalism on the whole is just copy paste press release, 9/10 reviews, attend cons.

But some mild feminist critique somehow turns into a movement???

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

The best thing about the whole to me was that it showed how reactionary most g*mers are, and it soured me forever on being in any video game related online spaces unless they explicitly don't allow reactionaries.

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The other day I logged onto my private server for FFXI and I saw someone with the username "didyouassumemygender" and I was like "great" aware

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[-] RION@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago

i was suxked up into it briefly in its heyday when i was 14-15. I think people today might underestimate how persuasive it was to tween/teen boys (I didn't know clueless ) in that phase after they've divested themselves from their parent's opinions but before they've had the chance to independently develop their own (inasmuch as one can opinions can be "independent" in society).

EVERYBODY knew games journalism as an industry was a joke— 10/10 IGN, 7/10 too much water, Skyrim with Guns, and so forth — so a "movement" claiming to be concerned about ethics in games journalism was inviting as a 14 year old dweeb with nothing better to care about.

And once you've swallowed the hook with a few alt-lite zingers from "Based Milo" Yianopaulos and Christina Sommers it's easy to accept the rest of the reactionary rhetoric that builds on it—if games journalism was being ruined by liberal pansy feminists, then all the other stuff they were being blamed for must be their fault, right? I watched PragerU videos of my own volition (cringe) because YouTube recommended them and they built on the GamerGate stuff by offering easy answers that demanded nothing from me.

Honestly its a miracle I wasn't completely lost to online alt-right brainrot. I don't even know why I stopped believing in it, I just... did? Then I spent like a year being a generic lib before finding r/cth and beginning my slow ascent to smug communist superioritysmuglord

All this to say, don't be too hard on yourself for getting sucked into something. And as someone once said, if you don't look back at yourself and cringe, you haven't grown

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think the reason I stopped believing in it is because i eventually noticed that everyone selling it gave off such pathetic/rancid vibes

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[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

I still don't know what gamergate was and I have no interest in learning. I feel like it would just be a complete waste of time. I think it had something to do with a bunch of nerds being angry a woman was taking games seriously as art and critiquing them as such?

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

a bunch of nerds being angry a woman was taking games seriously as art and critiquing them as such

that's a pretty accurate summary

[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

Dan Olson’s video on GG is legit a great summary

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[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

Even dumber than that, it was kicked off by a jilted boyfriend who aired out their dirty laundry on Tumblr and the whole discourse centered around how women keep getting a pass for everything.

But yeah, life is too short and precious to spend any of it caring about gamergate.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

I think it had something to do with a bunch of nerds being angry a woman was taking games seriously as art and critiquing them as such?

That's as good an explanation as you're going to find about it. Far right operatives latched onto them and juiced it up which is why it wouldn't go away

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

At one point, I personally identified as an Anti-feminist. It was over a decade ago, of course, but it brings me great shame. I never considered myself conservative, I have genuine fascists in my family and never fully aligned with any of them, but I was a deeply reactionary liberal. I fell down that pipeline and nearly tumbled down the alt-right, but thankfully stopped at "classical liberalism." Please, feel free to laugh at my former self, he was (and still is, albeit to a lesser extent) a supreme dumbass of the highest order of magnitude, and should be laughed at.

Unlearning the sheer amount of propaganda laid upon me from birth took effort, and a whole lot of grass touching. Talking to women, POC, marginalized people, queer people. Each layer of propaganda built over me peeled off, and with each peel came more and more shame at my former self. However, with each peel came more weight coming off my shoulders, renewed clarity, and new friends and eventual comrades.

What I am trying to say, is that we are the sums of our trajectories. It's the Dialectic at work! We contain within ourselves the next version. Politzer puts Dialectical Materialism very beautifully in Elementary Principles of Philosophy, and I truly believe it helped me shed my self-hatred for being so reactionary for so long, as it was a necessary step considering my own personal Material Conditions that led to the me of today.

I look forward to looking at how far I have come from where I am now in the future.

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

Unlearning the sheer amount of propaganda laid upon me from birth took effort, and a whole lot of grass touching. Talking to women, POC, marginalized people, queer people. Each layer of propaganda built over me peeled off, and with each peel came more and more shame at my former self. However, with each peel came more weight coming off my shoulders, renewed clarity, and new friends and eventual comrades.

This was my trajectory too. I went through a lot of rehabs and psych ward visits for my alcoholism that radicalized me and allowed me the chance to meet people very different from myself.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

I truly believe it's the best path to deprogramming people. Exposure works. It's easy to dehumanize others until you work and study alongside them, until they become just as human as you.

It's also a major factor for anti-immigrant rhetoric and redlining, to keep that fascism festering.

[-] NapoleonBlownApart@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

I look forward to looking at how far I have come from where I am now in the future

I tell myself this all the time. You should always be able to look back ten years and be like "what was I thinking??" It shows growth, and it shows you won't ever stop working on yourself. Anyone born in the U.S. that has taken our path knows how much unlearning you have to do in life.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's funny to me how all the "anti-feminist/anti-SJW classical liberals" from that era have faded away, because even if those guys didn't realize it, the whole anti-feminism/SJW thing was just a stepping stone towards fascism and now the real thing has overthrown it.

I guess it's not really funny as much as it is terrifying, but it's still kinda funny to me how irrelevant people like Thunderf00t and Amazing Atheist are now, because they were assholes.

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[-] AFineWayToDie@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

Self-cringe is the cost of personal growth. I am happy to pay it, and I'm glad you do too.

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

I remember seeing a bunch of the discourse around gamers being an ostracized identity that overlapped with nerds as a target for bullying, and sympathizing with this. I also remember thinking "how the hell does this play out by being exclusionary to women who work in the games industry".

only-good-gamer

[-] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

I was never into GG (too old for the target demo I think) but I spent entirely too much time doing the Reddit civility fetish debate bro shit back then.

[-] Kiagz@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I used to be really into the g*mergate/anti-sjw side of youtube back when I was a teenager. Now I'm a queer neurodivergent communist meow-tankie

[-] fox@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

Which way western woman

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[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 4 months ago

I forgive you.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

The cool thing about being wrong is that it means you're still growing and alive.

We should do a watch of the original Stepford Wives. It's a really well done horror thriller that's still pretty damn relevant. Also a good time capsule of the white middle class feminism of the 70s that was often criticized at the time by more intersectional feminisms.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

I think Gamergate was what made me, a slightly reactionary "lol those crazy SJWs" type at the time, throw my hands up and say "this is dork shit, who cares"

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think I was simply AFK for a couple days and then never bothered to find a good youtube video to get me up to speed for gamergate. So I saw some Anita Shavvershivvermetimbers bashing but I didn't have any context so I kept being preoccupied with something else. I still don't know what it was.

I play a primarily luck-based build in life.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

I remember how my irl trans girl friend brought the Zoe Quinn story to me and tried to be really serious about her (allegedly) sleeping with reviewers was a serious ethical problem. Her main exposure to news online was reddit and knowyourmeme, mostly, for some reason, the later. I immediatly wrote it off as a nothingburger because I 1. was active on tumblr at the time and had been getting my feminisism 101 education 2. have always been fairly sexually libertine, and didnt see an ethical problem with it at its core anyway. She was aghast that I didnt see a problem with it lol.

Eventually she did get off the Gamergate train but even then she said that it "got bad" and "BECAME" about harassment. I tried to tell her it was about that from the start but dropped it and decided her jumping off of it was enough. Havent talked to her in years so idk where her mindset is at and its not something you easily bring up anyway. Idk if she would have fallen for the Sweet Baby stuff or not.

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

For about five minutes I was interested in the fake "ethics in game journalism" thing before I saw all the death threats and hilarious racism. During that time I also watched some cring new atheist "debunk the creationists" slop, then they also got racist/sexist/transphobic lmao. They really can't hide it for long huh.

Anyway then I became a godless queer authoritankie back-to-me-shining

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

I had a reactionary period of my life as a young teen and I value it. It gave me a window into their mindset that I use to understand it and better my criticism of it. I grew up a pretty devout catholic, for example, and that enables me to not have boilerplate reddit atheist criticism of it. I go for the soft spots. The real juicy morsels.

When gamergate dropped I was dating and living with a "not like other girls" woman but luckily neither of us got invested into it despite being a little "primed" so to speak. If I had been some doomer incel maybe I'd have gotten into it but the bullet was dodged. I still had some reactionary views and lots of room to grow and still do but that's life. It is a process and anyone who has 100% "correct opinions" is regurgitating something they were told without really thinking aboutit, a liar, or they've never been tested.

It's okay to look back and go "yeesh those were dark days" but don't be too hard on your younger self. You wouldn't be here without them and think about how much weirder it would be to have those growing pains now. Think about other dumb shit we do as kids like climbing a tree only to fall and break an arm. I'd rather use youthful bone growth at 14 than 45.

[-] Chronicon@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Don't feel too bad. I mean ffs I bought and took ivermectin early on in covid (got taken in by the supposedly promising results in latin america and the doctors promoting it on the michael brooks show). I was literally on 4chan as a kid but never got into GamerGate somehow. Not sure if it was before or after my time.

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