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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 43 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Afaik the system is working as intended, and as operated.

The illusion of freedom of choice is such a powerful weapon, one of the tools you get to control masses.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 57 points 1 day ago

It's funny on reddit it's a complete coin flip.

Literally half the posts the things getting upvoted are "this isnwhat happens when you force a candidate on people who got 4% in a dem primary then alienate progressives in favor of campaigning with cheyneys"

And then in places like r/politics that exact same sentiment gets 100 downvotes.

I actually just saw a highly upvoted comment in politics saying "I'm not going tonwaste time talking to somebody who thinks politicians can pick who endorses them"

Then the original guy asked who forced harris to bring her around the country to campaign rally and got obliterated with downvoted again.

Incredibly, liberals will still learn nothing from this.

[-] Darth_Reagan@hexbear.net 37 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Politicians will sometimes disavow endorsements if they don't like them. That commenter is full of shit.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 28 points 22 hours ago

Also the heavily downvoted comment pointing out kamala invited them to campaign with her didn't help.

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 28 points 22 hours ago

"I'm not going tonwaste time talking to somebody who thinks politicians can pick who endorses them"

The appropriate response to Cheney endorsing you is to publicly plan a new Nuremberg.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 17 points 21 hours ago

I know he gets a lot of shit but John Stewart's joke when it happened was to repeateadly say "fuck you go away" and then call back to that joke like 4 times.

Love when the late night comedians have better political instincts than the politicians they're reporting on.

[-] 0x0520@hexbear.net 4 points 18 hours ago

"Oh, yes, we accept all of our endorsements at the Hague. Why do you ask?"

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 72 points 1 day ago

Don't forget ignored all indications that their campaign was losing voters and those same voters being very vocal about what needed to happen if they wanted to keep them

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 79 points 1 day ago

The "I am speaking!" is so funny to me.
"Hello, please stop doing genocide or I wont vote fo-" "I AM SPEAKING!" "Okay, I guess you don't want my vote then."
Democrats crash and burn

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 57 points 1 day ago

10% of primary voters vote "uncommitted" explicitly stating they won't support a candidate backing the genpcide

"Excuse me. IM SPEAKING. Now please welcome my friend Liz Cheyney."

Dems get 10% less votes.

Really a fucking mystery.

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 32 points 23 hours ago

It's not just the vote, people who have the energy to show up to protest have the energy to go out and knock on doors, raise funds, evangelize to friends and neighbors. The "well there's no rational alternative so I guess I have no choice" folks will vote for you, but they won't do anything to get anyone else's vote.

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago

the best thing to come from this election.

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 day ago

What amazes me is that anyone thinks the Democrats lost. Being pratfall artists is what they're paid to do, this is the result they wanted the whole time.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 19 points 22 hours ago

Yup, like the boxer who gets paid by the mafia to take a dive

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 72 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

appoint current vp who won 0 primaries as the party candidate

"Oh I'll do a lot of what (deeply unpopular current president) is doing (including genocide, insane border policies, austerity)"

make no definitive policy agenda beyond things everyone hates

make 'progressive' governor vp candidate to court that wing of party

call conservatives 'weird' to separate self from them

get, and actively seek, endorsements from neoconservatives to court mythical Never Trump conservatives while alienating everyone left of Reagan

lose

"wHaT hApPeNeD??"

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't forget "ignore large contingent of your voterbase, who informs you that they will not vote for you unless you change your policy"

[-] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 23 hours ago

the only part of the campain that was not a desaster in my estemation was picking Walz as VP as that looked almost as if they where going to move to the more progressive wing... then they ignored all of that and I garentee that thye will scapegoat walz as being too radical and scaring away the moderates, mark my words

[-] VernetheJules@hexbear.net 6 points 21 hours ago

get, and actively seek, endorsements from neoconservatives to court mythical Never Trump conservatives while alienating everyone left of Reagan

she won like over 90% of the vote in DC though so that move definitely paid off

[-] Piment@hexbear.net 5 points 21 hours ago

I can't tell if you're joking, but almost none of those people are registered to vote in DC

[-] VernetheJules@hexbear.net 3 points 18 hours ago

That's fair, I was just thinking of the west wing demographic

[-] HelluvaBottomCarter@hexbear.net 42 points 1 day ago

Trump lost to Joe Biden. Their strategy was to pick the person who also lost to Joe Biden.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 66 points 1 day ago

If they had chosen to hold a primary it would have had the advantage of completely blocking the republicans out of free media. They would have had all the attention.

[-] Hexboare@hexbear.net 5 points 22 hours ago

The media can't help but report on Trump

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 9 points 22 hours ago

He was pretty low energy this time when he wasn't getting shot at

[-] Sickos@hexbear.net 78 points 1 day ago

sowing sicko-flipped

reaping sicko-no

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 77 points 1 day ago

Now is the winter of our brat's torment.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 42 points 1 day ago

the winter of our disc on tent

just thought you should know

Honestly, I'm still fishing out my lib brain worms, but the VP taking over the campaign made sense to me regardless of how she primaried.

It would make sense if joe were popular, but he really wasnt. Thinking they could just copy/paste his agenda on to a different person and win was deeply unserious, just like leftists kept screaming every damn day until this morning

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago

She easily could've separated herself more from him, but very purposefully didn't.

[-] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 18 points 23 hours ago

The only time she distanced to herself from Biden was on things that were objectively unpopular, like not raising taxes as much on rich people.

I already see some of the rhetoric saying that Kamala was too far left. I think the only lesson that the DNC is going to take from this election, is that they need to go even further right. When in reality, pointing out how weird it is that Republican politicians are so concerned about children's genitals is an effective strategy, that was only stopped because Kamala Harris has a bipartisanship fetish.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

While I'm definitely afraid the DNC will go that way, I've been surprised by how many normal people I see not getting that out of the election on libs.world or Reddit. Sure, there's the occasional post still blaming Arabs or Latinos whatever, but I see a lot of anger pointed at the Dems instead that can be harnessed. This may turn out to be a great teaching and radicalizing moment if socialists take advantage of it now.

I think the fact that he won the popular vote means that the regular scapegoats they were planning on don't work. There was clearly not enough third party voters and they lost votes they had in 2020. It could just be sexism, but I think a lot of people have the feeling something else happened, something related to the campaign, or I wouldn't be seeing so much anger and disappointment directed at the Dems.

[-] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 7 points 22 hours ago

This is the day after though, I expect the narratives to consolidate and coalesce over the next few days.

[-] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 3 points 22 hours ago

True. Right now they're still reeling, which is why now I think is the time to spread our messages and press them.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There was also the component of controlling the campaign war chest and infrastructure

Harris could just hop in the driver seat bc she already was on the ticket.

She actually had juice right after the switch, then proceeded to just piss it away over the next few weeks

All she had to do was distance herself from Biden with some meaningful policies but it turns out she's really bad at this... Which nobody could have foreseen given her primary performance

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago

The more pertinent thing might be that the candidate they were anointing historically had not a shadow of a chance at winning. Primaries aren't a terribly good way of seeing who would do best in the general, but if you're doing that cataclysmically bad, you probably shouldn't just be handed the nomination anyway. It's sincerely like they were trying to lose.

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 24 points 1 day ago

The way you win elections in the US is getting your side to show up on election day. There's so much voter disenfranchisement and suppression you need to campaign with those factors in mind. You're absolutely right Harris' failures in the primary should have been a red flag. You have to get people excited and mobilized, while making it easier for them to cast their ballots.

That she dropped out so early was a bad sign for her campaign. Dems either haven't learned a got damn thing since Obama or they're doing it intentionally.

[-] Eris235@hexbear.net 11 points 22 hours ago

By the time Biden dropped out, yes, she was really the only choice, logistically. I think at that point, 3 months ago, there was basically nothing the dems could have done to have won this. They could have made it closer, but any real shot at a candidate people liked, would have needed to have gotten spooled up a year ago, at minimum, two years ago ideally.

The DNC shares so much blame for overall strategy of the last decade+, but the decision for Biden to insist on aiming for a 2nd term the whole time, despite pressure, and only cave when the saw just how grim those final projections really were, is mostly his, personally.

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 5 points 20 hours ago

Yet another hubrisic liberal elite refusing to take action on the overall political project, fucking future generations.

[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago

At the time, she was the best candidate because she was the only one with the national name brand. The problem was that she didn't run a real primary, because if there was an open primary she might not have won.

[-] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

They carried Biden across the primary finish line so they never had to be held to account by voters. Trojan horsed Kamala in using Joe's incumbency.

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