TRUMP CRUSHES THE LAW AND CONGRESS LIKE A MONSTER TRUCK. - nyt (hexbear.net)

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[-] Jacobo_Villa_Lobos@hexbear.net 3 points 21 hours ago

Biden-era Leftists: Why are you libs listening to the parliamentarian, Supreme Court, and obeying the filibuster? It’s all imaginary, just do the stuff you want.

Biden-era Libs: We can’t just act! If we do that, a future Republican president/congress will do that, but worse! Won’t you think of the institutions and a bunch of slavers’ feelings???!!!

[a few months later]

Trump 2.0-era libs: ZOMG WOW HOW IS BLUMPF DOING THESE ILLEGAL THINGS!!! Doesn’t he know we have laws??????? Where is Congress????? Those tankies should have voted for Kamala!

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 2 points 21 hours ago

It’s all imaginary, just do the stuff you want.

In the future if there are actually free and fair elections in the US and the dems win big - maybe they'll change the Constitution by adding the parliamentarian and the filibuster.

[-] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

Explaining laws to americans: it's like when car

[-] prole@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago

defying legal limits

I feel like there's a word for this they could have used

[-] Cammy@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago

Good thing the fourth estate is doing its part by speaking truth to power. After all, democracy dies in darkness.

[-] Xanza@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

There's not though. Illegal is a poor choice of words because the only one that can determine that is the Supreme Court. I can see why they used defying legal limits.

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

the only one that can determine that is the Supreme Court

On what grounds?

The supreme court’s authority is a meme with no basis in law. When push comes to shove, it will literally mean nothing. Politicians only use it as a cudgel to win arguments.

Any of the three branches of government can determine something is illegal. What matters is their ability to put that determination into practice. Like that Seinfeld skit: anyone can take a reservation; what matters is the holding.

It’s also valid for the general population to determine something is illegal, by observing a common understanding of the law and the meanings of words. Something can be obviously illegal in theory and yet the government does nothing about it.

The point is, legality is not a physical fact. It’s not etched into the fabric of reality. It is only a form in which political will is enacted, one which society accepts in what one might call the “civil” epochs of history. But in times of transition, which I think probably includes the current decade, the subordination of the law under direct political agency is laid bare. It is pointless to clutch on to obsolete concepts of legality. We have to constantly adapt our theory as society changes.

[-] Xanza@lemm.ee 1 points 18 hours ago

On what grounds?

See the US Constitution...

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The constitution doesn’t say only the Supreme Court can decide something is illegal. The supremacy clause does give the SC the power to decide if a law violates the constitution, and if so, the constitution takes precedence after review.

The law, while it is enacted, defines what is legal as a tautology. If judicial review overturns a law, then such actions are obviously not illegal anymore because the law would not be in effect. But you aren’t going to avoid prison by arguing that the statutory basis of your charges has never been reviewed and is therefore in a quantum superposition of legality.

Which brings me to my earlier point: the constitution empowers the Supreme Court to judicial review for settling matters of constitutionality. Nowhere does it say that only the Supreme Court can make legal determinations. That’s more or less how Roe was overturned recently: the SC argued that an abortion ban is not unconstitutional, therefore the SC cannot nullify abortion ban laws. This means that lower courts can determine abortion to be illegal, according to their local laws.

The modern idea of the Supreme Court’s authority, which I referred to as a meme, comes more from Marbury v Madison than from the constitution.

[-] Xanza@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

The constitution doesn’t say only the Supreme Court can decide something is illegal.

Article III, Section 1:

"The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."

Yet another armchair expert that's literally never taken the time to read the Constitution, which again, establishes the US Supreme Court as the highest court in the land vesting in it, supreme judicial power. So why don't you do yourself a favor and Google what "judicial power" means...

Congress has the power to make anything into law that they want, regardless of the legality of it. It comes down to the SCOTUS to interpret whether or not the law is indeed legal and enforceable. That is a power vested singularly in the SCOTUS by the US Constitution.

[-] shath@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago

not illegal though because being president means anything you do is legal

[-] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Officer I was not speeding I was simply blowing through apparent legal limits

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

Criminal felon continues to break a multitude of laws after avoiding all consequences

[-] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 day ago

Imagine thinking that "felon" is an own in a country with sky high incarceration rates.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Opened the throttle? I've never heard that expression before. Did an AI get confused and mix up "throttle" and "bottle" there?

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

My take - https://hexbear.net/comment/5894037

Opened the throttle

Google...

What does opening the throttle mean?

The term also, by extension, usually refers to the maximum-speed state of running the engine, as the normal result of a fully opened throttle plate/butterfly valve.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I think you're right there, it's probably just someone looking for an alternative to "full throttle"

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

it's probably just someone looking for an alternative to "full throttle"

To be honest - I do that stuff. When I'm writing a comment and inspiration isn't - cough - firing on cylinders - I'll google. And if I'm really stuck I'll check reddit to get ideas. Comedy tends to be reference and brevity.

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Ninja edit

These comments made me think of a song. Haha - https://hexbear.net/post/4431236

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

someone got paid a lot of money to write this drivel

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

Do I want to write "full-throttle"? No, that's too strong... Hmm... I better google and check Reddit for just the right phrase. [Sometime later] "Opened the throttle" - that's it!

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[-] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I feel like if PiS wins in Poland they'll get to implementing a presidential system here, inspired by the US (they already did in part, but since our country is made of soaking wet recycled cardboard then our government can simply ignore the president in certain cases)