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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Vampire@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

It's not about the specific geopolitics of Ukraine/Russia/China/Israel/anything... it's about the unsustainability of the economic system.

The capitalist countries aren't turning back from immiserating their people. They're all-in on a model of massive wealth inequality, where the few own the houses, land, and other wealth, and the common man is in debt and is squeezed for rent. U.S. consumer confidence is at a 12-year low because the common man cannot afford things.

If people can't afford things but you want them to buy things, there is one capitalist solution: put them into consumer debt like credit-card-debt. But that's also maxed out, it can't be pushed further.

It's heading toward crisis. Pursing an unsustainable path is synonymous with heading towards a catastrophe.

The correct solution to this crisis is a leftist movement. But the left is disorganised and disempowered by oppression&propaganda. There's no left in capitalist countries, not an effective one.

(Same logic applies to the environmental crisis as well as the economic one.)

The welfare state was established by Clement Attlee after WW2 – an example of how a catastophe/worldwar can be the shock required to get the ruling class to come to their senses and change the economic system.

Something's gotta give, simply put. People have been pushed to the brink and it can't go on like this.

That implies some sort of crisis/catastrophic failure of the system. That doesn't have to necessarily be a world war, but it fits the bill, plus all of the pieces are in place with geopolitical tensions and militarisation.

The capitalist rulers can try to take/destroy China and Russia to fight the collapse of their wealth (I'm agnostic on the specific alliances). Destroying fixed capital with bombs is one way of resetting the hoarding of wealth.

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[-] Vampire@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Gary Stevenson's new video today says the same thing.

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

I'm thinking Civil War 2 might be more likely than formal WW3 at this point. If the US attemptedan overseas war, I think all the YesMen-ing and general butchering of the federal government is going to result in some crazy military slip up like getting three carriers sinked by Yemen/Iran, and the postmortem reports are going to be hilarious regardless of whether it's the truth or a shameless Olympic-sized asscover.

As for Civil War 2, ATM we're just waiting for the first martial law and national guard deployment on US soil. Then we get to play fantasy football with the lineup of governors and celebrity kidnappings/assassinations.

[-] duderium@hexbear.net 0 points 1 month ago

Gerald Horne has been saying that with Trump, we get Civil War 2, while with Biden, we get WW3, however sometimes it looks like we’re actually getting both at the same time with Trump. The situation in the Middle East has gotten noticeably worse (although we all know it was obviously very bad to begin with) since the fall of Syria…

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

World War and a Civil War at the same time?

Hmm.. Where have I seen that before?

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've been wondering whether the local oligarchs are looking across the pond to Britain as a test case for how far they can push things without ending up with torches and pitchforks at their doors. I've been thinking the plan is to continue to crush the standard of living in the US until military recruiting targets are met, then the hunt will be on for the pretext that gets this whole show on the road. But idk, people have been predicting the next recession for years and it still doesn't seem to have hit yet. Something's keeping us balanced on the precipice.

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

in my head, that's a big part of the push.. like it's all in lock-step. Raise interest rates, crushing wages and job market, but allowing inflation to continue to run rampant, and doing nothing about housing costs. Immiserate people as much as possible to force them into the military to try to survive which is necessary for war. Blame X,Y,Z for the problems, which makes it easy to start war. Stop the ability to have abortions to replenish the expected population loss from the war.

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