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Just adding more and more clauses until maybe arguably the US (only its clandestine services and a few dozen of its proxies) didn't brake the "rule" with no consequence since this is just a fiction to mask pure power projection.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 year ago

The rules based order started after America already conquered all of its territory, of course.

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

If I were to point to an exact year, it would be after Israel's last territorial expansion

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

haven't you read the fine print of the imperialism contract?! berdly-actually

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

berdly-nooooo rational adult-in-the-room liberals when I make sweeping categorical claims and am upfront about my interests instead of injecting nuance in the form of arcane social bylaws I conjured up that are conveniently molded to justify my pre-existing opinion

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

wars against democracies

...ok debord-tired

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

post the emoji, bart! us-foreign-policy

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

the vibes-based order is real chopper-cry

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

You always post the quippy comment I was going to post before me because I was eeping. I'd be mad but I'm also v v eepy need go breb n

[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

there were definitely some rules
speech-rfootball-lucy football-charlie-brown

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 1 year ago

I'd say that there is an order and it is rules based just that the rules aren't what the rulers say they are.

[-] Krem@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the rules: international-community-1 international-community-2 (also, conveniently, the "international" and "the order")

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

also somewhat US foreign policy

[-] stevatoo@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The rules-based international order does not rule nor is it based.

[-] NecroticEuphoria@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago
[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

The smooth liberal brain is a sight to behold

[-] Wheaties@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE LAST ~~TWO~~ ~~FOUR~~ SIX DECADES OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY BEHIND THE CURTAIN

[-] grazing7264@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Liberals and conservatives never know anything because they have nothing to build toward, no feedback or consequences

This is why even fascists have better historical analysis than libs, they have a fundamental drive to actually do something and suffer when they do something stupid and get caught. They at minimum want to create a dramatic way for themselves and their society to die. Liberals fundamentally want nothing.

Lib loses an election, they cry but it doesn't actually affect them.

This is why trans people tend to land much closer to the truth, constantly pushing against patriarchal violence and cishets, esp white libs, never know anything about anything, nothing they do ever actually matters, the state and the culture does all the dirty work and violence for them, they never realize it's even happening

These people are playing dolls and make believe in Ukraine, just pure bliss and vibes, no sense of tragedy or regret of watching the people of the beautiful Ukrainian Soviet Republic looted and torn to shreds for capital

All vibes and posturing like they're on stage playing make-believe all the way down

[-] cucumovirus@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Liberals and conservatives never know anything because they have nothing to build toward

Yes, and it always reminds me of this Walter Rodney quote:

And this was the problem: that bourgeois thought โ€” and indeed socialist thought, when we get down to it โ€” can have a variety of developments or roads and aspects or paths. Bourgeois thought, because of its whimsical nature and because of the way in which it promotes eccentrics, can have any road. Because, after all, when you are not going any place, you can choose any road!

[-] grazing7264@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Redsails out here with banger after banger

๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ”ซ

[-] flan@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

russia isn't overthrowing ukraine for the purposes of territorial expansion though. Check and mate. smuglord

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Even if you give them that, then all you've given is that there are rules. Not that there's order or that the behavior is based off of the rules. Just that the rules were extant.

[-] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Not against the rules: using a fake hepatitis B vaccination program to obtain the DNA of children as part of planning an assassination on foreign soil

[-] RadioMartinaise@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

COALITION WARSHIP ARCHER - "You must understand, when we speak of contingency spreads, we are talking about the most fantastically complex data visualisations human beings are capable of producing, with thousands of events -- from elections and wars to natural disasters or scientific miracles -- and millions of possible outcomes."

COALITION WARSHIP ARCHER - "It may be the case that, under certain scenarios, Revachol is vitally important, as it was during the Coalition landings in '08. It may also be the case in many other equally plausible scenarios that Revachol is simply another once-great city, like countless others throughout history."

REACTION SPEED - Did she... just admit that the Coalition invading Revachol was one of those 'contingencies'?

YOU - "Are you saying the Coalition invasion was one of these 'contingencies'?"

COALITION WARSHIP ARCHER - "No -- well, not quite. The Moralintern never intends to violate another nation's sovereignty. That would be a serious violation of international law..."

[-] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

War conventions didn't apply to revolutions and counter revolutions until like the 70's, in all the conventions up to that point there was not a single mention of war crimes of colonialism/imperialism.

[-] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

the US did the territorial expansion thing, though, too

teddy roosevelt expressly made speeched about it and then did it while telling everyone he was doing so

[-] privatized_sun@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Notably there were anti-imperialist American presidents...but only until settler colonialism ran out of the frontier to rape

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

The vibes-based international order

[-] ratboy@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

If that persons' username is a nod to The Clash's Joe Strummer, I think the real one would be rolling in his grave. I'm kinda confused though, at first it seems like the podcast person is agreeing with you? Or were they saying "that was against the rules therefore the US didn't do it"

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

That poster was good. They clarified that the US doesn't need territory, it just needs financial dependants.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

smuglord

"if you asked me to choose which is worse, Russia occupying Ukrainian land that the residents didn't want to be part of Ukraine, or 500,000 dead Iraqi children, then all I can say is that human lives are temporary and map territory is forever. if you think about it, all humans are stardust, mere blinks of an eye when compared to cosmic timescales..."

[-] MoreAmphibians@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

The US annexed a Vatican City sized chunk of territory from Iraq in order to build their fortress-embassy.

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