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Consequently, hosting a lavish banquet or ordering lobster is no longer a sufficient signifier of status; today, a sign of true wealth is the ability to forgo food entirely. Eating essentially betrays a person’s most basic human needs; in an era obsessed with ‘self-optimisation’, not eating suggests that a person is somehow ‘beyond’ needs and has achieved total mastery of their body with a heightened capacity for efficiency and focus.

“There is a history in Judeo-Christian societies – and likely in many other religions, hence the widespread practice of fasting – where demonstrating a lack of need for material things, especially food, and being able to demonstrate self-control and discipline are signs of spiritual transcendence,” Dr Woolhouse says. Famously, Italian saint Catherine of Siena would fast for prolonged periods of time as a means of demonstrating her devotion to God through extreme self-control. “But there’s also a class dimension to this,” Dr Woolhouse continues, “because being able to demonstrate a lack of need for material goods, like food, suggests social transcendence too; it’s symbolic of living a life whereby our material needs aren’t a daily concern.” She adds that “fad diets are very unlikely to take off in societies where there are food shortages or food insecurity.”

It’s still jarring to watch celebrities openly admit to fasting for 23 hours a day or taking 14 different supplement pills in lieu of a balanced breakfast. “It normalises and sanctions practises that in other contexts would be regarded as eating disordered,” Dr Woolhouse says. “When eating practices are packaged as ‘done in the name of health’, they are more socially acceptable and difficult to contest.” She points out that a normal teenage girl restricting her diet in the same way as Johnson would likely be regarded as ill and in need of medical intervention. “What we, as a society, regard as ‘normal’ and ‘abnormal’ eating is contextual and largely rides on how those eating practices are framed.”

It’s obvious but bears reiterating that extreme, fad diet trends are both ineffectual and dangerous. But this trend isn’t really about food or health. It’s about performance. It’s a way for the moneyed classes to signal their wealth and status and posture as above us mere mortals who debase ourselves by eating.

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 months ago

I am fasting bevause my meds make me not want to eat lol

[-] Ocommie63@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago

So true, Comradesharkfucker

[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

Critical support for the grifters out there starving billionaires by gaslighting them into thinking they don't need food.

[-] sappho@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

She adds that “fad diets are very unlikely to take off in societies where there are food shortages or food insecurity.”

lil bit of foreshadowing for the coming decade

I used to fast regularly and it made me feel great. Turns out I had celiac and my body was just relieved I was taking a break from poisoning it

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

I fast a couple times a month 'cause it makes me feel better and helps keep my weight down. Rich people continue to be weird, but I guess this is another expensive grift thing to demonstrate status.

[-] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Same, only I do it once every few months but the fasts are longer. Water fasting for a week+, when I'm not too depressed to make the commitment in the first place, does wonders for depression and anxiety. And weight. And general sense of well-being. There's good reason so many religions incorporate fasting as a spiritual practice. But rich bourgsie fucks will take, twist, and ruin anything cool like that, making it trite and part of their self-absorbed narcissism. Just like the silicon valley techbros did with psychedelics like DMT.

[-] PapaStevesy@midwest.social 12 points 6 months ago

Fixed: "Why don't people eat the rich anymore?"

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

my eyes won't focus properly so that's exactly how I read the title at first

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

two words: diarrhea avoidance

everybody got crazy metabolic disorders and fucked gut biomes from all the plastic and over processed/infinite shelf life grains.

so you're at a social gathering and you decide to forgo the lobster tails in honey milk or whatever, because you know it'll precipitate an East Texas style ass blast all down the backs of your bespoke slacks.

[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

I fast because I frequently forget to eat

[-] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

I fast because of dental issues make me take centuries to eat, also I can stretch out some of my meds that way.

[-] Alisu@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

I can't do this or i get very hypoglycemic

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago

I’m reading Pierce Brown’s Red Rising series and in it the “Golds” the fascist leaders overseeing a color-caste society, have these self imposed restrictions and proof of virtue by moderation, you can consume drugs but don’t be addicted, eat but do not eat too much. As proof of these virtuous powers of self control and thus superiority to other “pixie” golds and other caste that are basically there to be the sensuous playthings of society. Which it turns out they don’t actually follow and most of them are hedonistic and evil bastards.

I think in the real world the tying of greed and overconsumption to fatness, and the patriarchal imposition of beauty standards on women and men, even at the highest rungs of society, places significant factor in the scrambling to use ozempic for non-prescribed use.

[-] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

>the title of this post

yea

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Does anyone else here get weirdly gassy when they're fasting? It's a problem for me every year during Ramadan and even when I only fast on singular days, I end up farting up a storm. Feels like something that shouldn't happen, since if my bowels are empty, I shouldn't be producing nearly as much gas.

[-] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

That's pretty normal (but not true for everyone because of the uniqueness and individuality of our gut micriobiomes). The first thing to know is that your bowels aren't actually empty for quite a while after you stop eating, there's still plenty in there to process. For most people, what kind of marks the end of what's left of the food in there is when they have diarrhea about 2-5 days into a true fast. Even then, your gut lining is still constantly growing, dying, and shedding, just like your skin, and fasting can make that shedding happen faster and more efficiently. It's literally exfoliation for the gut, but that's not really relevant until it's been a few days since you've eaten anything.

What actually causes gas, as you probably know, is the bacteria in your gut processing what's in there. Your gas is the product of their digestion. They're still doing their thing to the remaining food (which again, there is still a substantial amount of for days into a fast) and your exfoliating intestines even when you're fasting. The thing to understand here is that when you fast, your gut micriobiome will change in response to the changed conditions it's experiencing. This takes some time to balance out, since your micriobome is an entire ecosystem of competing species adapting to that relatively sudden change. This temporary imbalance is the biggest (but not the only) reason for the increase in gas when you start fasting, as bacteria types that used to be in the minority are now in overabundance, like an algae bloom in a pond. People who eat beans all the time usually don't get gassy from eating a bean burrito for dinner since their microbiome is adapted to that, but someone with an unadapted gut will get major gas from the same burrito. Fasting can actually be a fairly similar scenario in terms of the sudden change.

Long story short, there's so much more going on here than just the volume of food you ate. Hope that helps.

[-] Red_Eclipse@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Happens to my mom if she doesn't eat. She says it's because she ends up swallowing lots of air.

[-] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Yeah, that's not the reason. The gas that causes flatulence has essentially nothing to do with swallowing air. If you want to nerd out on her the next time she says that, see my response to CTHlurker.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

With me its the opposite experience. When I'm fasting I can eat foods that other people report as making them gassy with impunity. I mean chickpeas, beans, eggs and the like.

I have no clue as to what should be normal, so maybe a doctor could give you some pointers.

[-] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago

Eating chickpeas without getting gassy, what are you, a god?

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

I genuinely think its the fasting that does it, lol.

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