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I trust Trump about as far as I can throw him, and at the end of the day it's really the Pentagon calling the shots here not the POTUS.

But dudes clearly speaking to a public sentiment here.

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[-] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 99 points 4 months ago

Biden and the Dems are so bloodthirsty that Trump is the nominal antiwar position. I hate this fucking place

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 77 points 4 months ago

Trump is the nominal antiwar position

Trump isn't anti-war, or at least I don't trust him to be actually anti-war. He's anti-this-war, but his administration did plenty of hawkish shit towards Iran and Venezuela. I'm not even confident he'll actually do anything to deescalate in Ukraine, I think it's all bluster.

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago

not to mention he ramped up drone strikes 400% more than obama

[-] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 28 points 4 months ago

one of the few things I'm willing to give Biden credit for - he stopped the drone strikes

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

same here. and I have never heard a liberal mention it

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

Did he really, or did he just change who's using them?

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[-] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

Wow. Credit where credit's due. I didn't know this.

Source

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

At this point basically every influental politician in US is just Holden Bloodfeast

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[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

same with Orban vs EU

[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 79 points 4 months ago

The problem with Trump is not that he can't read the room. On the contrary, that's part of the problem. The room is filled with transphobic, military thumping, chauvinist, xenophobic, treat gobbling bullshit.

[-] Tomboymoder@hexbear.net 72 points 4 months ago

Gee, why doesn't he feel the same about Palestine? brow

[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
  1. us-foreign-policy

  2. Trump knows how to read the room, and ending the war in Ukraine is a rewarding grift. Ending the genocide in Palestine is not nearly as rewarding

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

Our big wet boy is a huge zionist

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Love when every Republican president for the past fifty years is ideologically to biden's left

edit: they're right, Bush is the only exception (and still to Biden's left on border and immigration policy)

[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 58 points 4 months ago

every Republican president for the past fifty years is ideologically to biden's left

Lets not overstate things, mission-accomplished was a fucking monster, probably worse than Trump and Biden.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago
[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

Yeah on second thought, he's def worse than both, probably worse than both combined depending on how you calculate that.

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 47 points 4 months ago

come on, don't forget the oil man no-oil

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago

Senator Biden supported the Iraq attack 2003 and signed off on bunches of his legislation

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 23 points 4 months ago

I always wonder how instrumental W was to the invasion plan. Not to hand it to him at all, but he always seemed just not interested in being president let alone personally make the invasion a reality.

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[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I trust Trump about as far as I can throw him... But dudes clearly speaking to a public sentiment here.

Reiterating all this (that Trump doesn't really care, won't have total control of foreign policy, and this is mostly a play to popular sentiment), there's a lesson here in how to present ideas so that people agree with them.

Talking about a single issue and giving a humanist position on it will beat an ideological position that necessarily (because it's your whole ideology!) invokes other issues. Trump could have given an eloquent anti-imperialist take (lmao) and it would not have played as well. But "we need to stop all this killing?" Who's going to disagree with that? It reveals all the NATO freaks as the monsters they are for playing geopolitics with people's lives. Same as if you talk about healthcare in terms of "the richest country in the world shouldn't have people choosing between medicine and rent" instead of starting with the ideological basis for that belief.

Not to say you should never get into ideology, just that the humanist justification for positions should be at the forefront, because it keeps the discussion focused and is harder to oppose. It does help to think about how best to present these ideas; that's a lot of what politics is.

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[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 48 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Trump was already president and his foreign policy was pretty bad. He threw Rojavah to Turkey and was trying hard to start a war with Iran, assassinated Soleimani, and people just forgot about that when the pandemic started. He tried to coup Venezuela for guaido, remember that pathetic boat thing where they all got caught immediately? Remember the Bolivian coup that Amerikkka was almost certainly involved in?

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

Yeah but see that's comparatively GOOD foreign policy, just a list of failures except for assassinating that guy

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

Biden also has had a ton of failures. Assassinating Soleimani easily could've started a war that would've killed hundreds of thousands, we really don't need to hand it to him.

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[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

We need an emoji of this with Trump's hair photoshopped on with how often this happens.

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 24 points 4 months ago

A quick and dirty version

[-] CommCat@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago

Biden and any other POTUS runs US Imperialism by the playbook. Trump will not change US Imperialism, but he does disrupt it and panics the deep state (Industrialists and the MIC), I don't think any other POTUS would've gone to the DPRK

[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 4 months ago

The DPRK meeting is a perfect embodiment of the "upside" to Trump's foreign policy: noisy, not anything a regular president would do, and ultimately did not change the status quo even slightly.

And of course the downside is getting us closer to war with Iran (twice, I believe) than we've been in decades.

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[-] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

Still paint me skeptical he would really do any meaningful damage.

Whatever I ain't voting for either of them.

[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

We have a saying on Vulcan: Only Nixon can go to China, and only Trump can go to the DPRK

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