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[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 80 points 3 months ago

I saw a news story about this sort of thing years ago. When these driverless car experiments were first getting approved, there were some neighborhoods where the cars would basically just go to die. They'd enter a neighborhood and just stop in the middle of an intersection or slow down to a crawl and go in circles til they ran out of fuel. They have never fixed this problem, and people living in the same neighborhoods from 5 years ago are still having to go outside and shoo the cars away like some strange form of lost megafauna.

[-] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 3 months ago

I never felt this understood by a car before

[-] Storm@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

It's like what animals do to keep from slowing down the herd.

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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 72 points 3 months ago

You can tell the people living in those condos are housebroken middle management types because if this shit was happening outside normal people's apartments those cars would all have been vandalized so badly they'd be totaled by the insurance company

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 33 points 3 months ago

I for one welcome the new petite bourgeoisie class of middle managers controlled by the whims of AI.

Seriously I do, honestly easier to tell real living breathing humans apart from people that live in pods and have R2D2 as their girlfriend.

[-] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago

That was my first thought: how are people not pelting them with bricks from their balconies?

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago

These middle manager types are probably all calling the corporate offices to file complaints without understanding that if they were in the Waymo corporate offices they wouldn't put any resources into solving the problem until the problem starts costing them money. Meanwhile the normal person just throws bricks and fucks up the gates until Waymo decides it's worth the resources to geofence the fucking parking lot and disable honking within that area.

[-] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 68 points 3 months ago

I can't remember for the life of me where I read it, but I remember reading a kinda sci-fi/fantasyish novel in my teens that had universal ai controlled cars, and the main character asked how they didn't get into accidents sometimes and the other characters were like "are you stupid? It's one centralised ai controlling them all" and that stuck with me as an obvious requirement for driverless cars.

Anyway I don't think any current driverless car creators read that book.

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 71 points 3 months ago

che-no driverless cars coordinated and controlled from a single central source to ensure smooth operation and maximum efficiency

che-si each car individually controlled by competing ai each trying to reduce their transit time at the expense of the other AI operated cars

[-] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 42 points 3 months ago

I remember during the initial hype for driverless cars there was a plan for cars to have ad hoc/ mesh networks with each other so they could perfectly optimize traffic and weave lane changes and left turns in between much smaller gaps than humans can. Somehow it seems just as far away as when it was first proposed.

[-] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago

Somehow it seems just as far away as when it was first proposed.

Probably further away than when it was first proposed tbh

[-] Grandpa_garbagio@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

Replace all car roads with trolley tracks, a huge sprawling network of tracks, with streetcars all operated with AI planning. Hell let people buy their own personal trolleys if they want, just don't let them disconnect from the central planning system, get out where you want and the trolley will head to a tracked storage facility to await your next pickup, out of the way of incoming trolleys all perfectly maneuvering around the city

Life purely on the rails

[-] Des@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

just like my childhood dreams!

[-] Formerlyfarman@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Also, batteries on cars are bullshit, see that SUV with a 1000kg of batteries, but a trolley is connected to an ac grid.

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[-] LeninsBeard@hexbear.net 41 points 3 months ago

The invisible crankshaft of the free market.

[-] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

Game theory but for AI cars

[-] egg1918@hexbear.net 55 points 3 months ago

One central AI controlling all of them is just the first step into reinventing trains, again.

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 51 points 3 months ago

Trains are to transit evolution as crabs are to biological evolution. If you actually try to improve efficiency in any transit system you'll inevitably reinvent trains.

It's still funny that these car-brained tech bros can't go beyond individual cars controlled independently even when faced with both the obvious downsides and inefficiencies as well as clear ways to improve car based transit.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 30 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

as crabs are to biological evolution

Barely related, but I want to point out that carcinization only happens to hard shelled creatures, possibly only aquatic ones. Different groups of animals have a few different ideal forms.

For predatory mammals, the ideal form is ferret. Become long. ferret

[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

Im short but i stink. Am i almost there?

(I <3 ferrets don't@)

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[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

one centralised ai controlling them all"

Too close to commie trains, their minds just can't conceive

[-] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

If by "ai" you mean pathfinding and routing algorithms, that makes total sense. If by "ai" you mean the actual driving part and crash avoidance, ping will start killing pedestrians.

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[-] TurtleTourParty@midwest.social 9 points 3 months ago

In Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer there are people artificially enhanced into supercomputers that control the world's network of flying cars.

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 58 points 3 months ago

lmao, driverless cars that can't even coordinate parking, do a zipper merge, honking and flashing each other, etc

these cars have learned how to drive just like humans alright

[-] miz@hexbear.net 38 points 3 months ago

not one person went down there with a crowbar and started going ham? Americans have no dignity

[-] OperationOgre@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

I imagine each one of those cars has 10 different cameras on it surveilling every angle around it 24/7

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[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 38 points 3 months ago

"Ok, here's my pitch: Furbies! but louder, more repetitive, more obnoxious, and capable of killing people."

cap-think

"All powered by AI"

capitalist-laugh

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago

If a driverless car starts honking unnecessarily it should be conoletely legal to set it on fire.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago
[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago

C'mon how hard is to safely molotov that place

[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago

Do Waymos do this when they're distressed? What's going on?

[-] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 months ago

Wifi is expensive, so they implemented honkfi.

[-] lilypad@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Back in the age of dialup, horrid noises would erupt from the telephone should one lift it from its cradle while using the internet. After decades of peace, we return to this time of disruptive sound, as driverless cars communicate bits and bytes purely through honks.

[-] nasezero@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

I'd be tossing fists full of ninja rocks off my balcony every night

[-] buh@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago

imagine this but with bazingamobiles

[-] enkifish@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

I got really into ants for a while, and sometimes I think that capitalism is our species' equivalent.

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[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 months ago

I have no mouth, and I must scream.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 months ago

Seems like those apartments are positioned just right to toss a couple of bricks out the window into the parking lot below. Sure would be a shame if they did that.

[-] StThicket@reddthat.com 15 points 3 months ago

This is some dystopian comedy material

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[-] ICEMAN@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

This was the best quest in Cyberpunk

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[-] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Pretty sure this was a scene in one of the Fast and Furious movies

[-] batsforpeace@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago
[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

I’m sure this will not be the worst nor last AI growing pains we suffer

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