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THANKS VERY COOL GOOGLE I'LL JUST LET THE PLAGIARISM MACHINE THAT TELLS PEOPLE TO EAT GLUE AND BURNS DOWN THE RAINFOREST TO DESIGN MY CURRICULUM

ACTUALLY WE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN NEED TEACHERS WHEN WE CAN JUST SIT STUDENTS DOWN IN FRONT OF A CHROMEBOOK AND FEED THEM AI SLOP ALL DAY AND THEN THEY CAN USE AI TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

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[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago

As a teacher, the only things I've found AI to be useful are:

"Give me ten ideas for X". Example: "give me twenty fun ideas for finishing a lesson on volcanos for 13 year olds". Maybe one of those ideas is good and I can adapt it.
"Write an explanation of X and be sure to include the key terms A, B, C, D, etc. Make sure the text is fitting for 14 year olds." Then I'll fix up the explanation because it's still not exactly what I want. I'll delete the key terms and make it into a cloze worksheet.

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[-] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 32 points 1 month ago

Boy do I have some news for you: https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/ai-may-be-coming-for-standardized-testing/2024/03

"This could be a step towards figuring out how AI can help educators achieve a long-elusive goal: Creating a new breed of assessments that actually helps inform teaching and learning in real time, he said."

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 29 points 1 month ago

Complete word salad. What, in this person's mind, does teaching look like when it's not "in real time?" Does he mean having up-to-date information? Because almost everything you learn in K-12 is so foundational it hasn't changed in decades (if not centuries). High school sophomores are not learning about arguments between mathematicians over Newtonian physics and changes to calculus as a result. They're still trying to figure out fucking algebra and geometry.

The information I learned in school that was out of date was mostly in history and economics, which has more to do with state ideology. We were learning what is now considered Holocaust denial as fact. I had to unlearn it as an adult paying attention to what various organizations and experts are saying is current. Adding """"AI"""" isn't going to fix problems problems like this. It could even (and by "could," I mean "100 billion percent will") make things worse.

[-] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It seems like what they want is to have AI-generated "tasks" that students have to complete to gauge their level of knowledge so that the AI can then generate tests that are more specifically tailored to what that student's trouble spots are. I already hate this, and this is the promise they're leading with, meaning it's the most benign possible application that is the face of the actual terrible ways they will algorithmically decide students' academic potential.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

Should make sure the lathe is away from me when I say this, but: I think it means daily or weekly quizes, potentially given to random students that will probably somehow get tied to school funding. Maybe teacher compensation.

Just trying to think of what's the most evil thing a management consultant would think of.

[-] foxontherocks@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Testing random students daily would be a lower workload than what was expected the previous school I worked at where I had to test all students daily.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

I put in random because testing all students daily is obviously a dumb waste of time, so of course that's a thing.

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

I was looking into becoming a high school math teacher and the curriculum here for math is so overspecified that I can't imagine ever having to plan a lesson.

[-] foxontherocks@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

If it is anything like my old state, NY, you can ignore a lot of the standards. Over specificity means extremely low number of test questions on that standard and low variety in the test questions when they show up.

[-] cannibalbanquet@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

Yeah as a former teacher I can imagine ai at actually being useful for putting together some slop for admins to use since they made us produce class scripts every day to submit to school admin that never actually read it, adding like an additional 8 hours of work every week on top of the 80 hours I was already working. Maybe use AI for that and then teach what you wanted to teach.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

"Give me ten ideas for X". Example: "give me twenty fun ideas for finishing a lesson on volcanos for 13 year olds". Maybe one of those ideas is good and I can adapt it.

This would have been so much more useful than the solution my boss and coteacher gave when i said I didnt know how to come up with ideas for activities at the old after school program which was "just go on pinterest" which was WAAAAAAY to broad of an answer lmao. OK go on pinterest and start... where?

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago

"The treat printer costs X amount of water, Y amount of pollution allotment, and Z amount of rainforest. How much of your future did I throw away to have googleAI make this question for you?"

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

Hey teachers you know that thing you're telling all your students off for using and has been actively ruining your ability to teach because students that use AI to do work don't actually learn anything? You should use that thing already ruining education to plan your lessons!

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

AI student essays written to AI teacher prompts

[-] Edie@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago

Graded by AI

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

i'm unironically in a uni class where our weekly discussion posts (ie have to write 3 short paragraphs a week) are graded by AI. professor says the system should give full credit if it can tell what you're saying has some substance and is relevant to the weekly text, but it often seems like when i write something original it gives my reply a C and when i say anything buzzwordy and devoid i get an A

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

This is malpractice. Disgusting

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[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 20 points 1 month ago

zizek-fuck

If we have the teachers use AI and the students use AI then the AI can talk to the AI and we can finally get on with our lives.

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[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I hate AI getting shoved into everything.

I use JetBrains Rider to code hobbyist shit and after the most recent update, it started doing this extremely aggressive (and WRONG) code generation that was far more distracting than it could ever be helpful. Well, it can't be AI, because when they added AI I immediately took all steps to disable it.

Wrong! They added more AI. As a new plugin. Had to disable it as well. Like a fucking virus.

And its like... okay maybe I should stop using Rider? So I can just go checks notes use an IDE from a company that has an even bigger stake in AI (Microsoft).

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

I don't teach K-12, but isn't the main challenge not lesson planning, but like a lot of crowd control. At least like K-9 I imagine it's a nightmare just keeping kids seated and paying attention.

[-] foxontherocks@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

Nope, the classroom part is easy. Even if the kids are annoying, most of them will learn. But most importantly the amount of energy you can spend in each class is capped. It is, at worst, 45 minutes of walking and yelling. And admin very rarely watches the classes. They are out of their element in the classes. They just want to see the lesson plans and their expectations for those lesson plans are infinite and bizarre, 6+ pages per 45 minute class, timed to the minute, all content squeezed into a spreadsheet where most columns only have one word and one column has paragraphs, mandatory template looks like shit so they always have something to complain about.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's sounds maddening, I go through about a page per 10 mins of lecture time at the college level and that obviously moves through at a faster pace.

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[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

Using the internet to find resources is hard too because so many sites are paywalled. I somehow doubt that "teachers pay teachers" actually gives much money to teachers.

[-] foxontherocks@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

The fact that TPT exists in the way that it does is baffling. We spend so much on education, the federal government or a large state could just buy TPT, run it at cost. New teachers are swamped by the need to develop a curriculum, lesson plans, and make materials and those are all things a government would be good at providing. Why does every teacher need to reinvent the wheel.

[-] dustbunnies@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

they keep trying to shove it down my throat, too, and I'm just doing small engine repair paperwork

your stupid fucking AI can't respond to Farmer Jane about her Gravely's weird intermittent electrical problem, stop offering to "help"

Try it for free!

guess "free" is the new term for the low low price of trading hours of my time and frustration for some asshole's training algorithms. what a deal! 🤩

[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Speed running the collapse

[-] Joever@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

corporate-art

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